2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Sepukku]

it sounds like you and everyone else saying that the gun is the reason the daughter got hurt and not the fact that she fucked up in the middle of the night returning home.
come back when you've been a victim and aren't a big fan of continuing to be one in your own home.

Big talk from guntoting crazypants. Let me ask you, Mr. Crazypants, in your house how many home invasions have you ended with the use of a firearm??

[Aksannyi]

What your post ignores is that you and your children were at less risk prior to you having purchased a firearm. The time your house was broken into ended without incident. You can not however make the assumption that had you been armed at the time it wouldn't have ended really badly for the intruder or yourself. There are plenty of stories that involve a gun owner having their gun used against them.

The most galling thing about certain reactions to this story is that they somehow miss the fact that the only threat that this man's family faced that morning was the man with the gun

Yes, the one time my home was broken into I was very lucky. I was 19 and terrified and the guy had no ill intents. When someone breaks into your house though you don't typically imagine that they're doing so with good intentions, you expect that they're out to take your possessions (wrong, but the best option), harm you, or harm your family.

Again I am not defending the guy because shooting without identifying your target is asinine. I used to hunt, you don't shoot what you can't identify. This guy is the reason blaze orange is a thing. But no, I wasn't going to sit idly by and hope that the guy coming into my house wasn't going to put me into an early grave. It took every ounce of courage I had to ask him who he was and why he was in my apartment, especially since I had no way of defending myself (and I was actually sleeping in the nude, to boot). When he finally realized he was in the wrong house he left. I was so terrified after that I couldn't get out of bed until it was light out.

Would I have shot him? No. I already established that even with a gun, I wouldn't have shot unless I absolutely had to. The guy didn't approach, in fact he sat down on my armchair and made himself comfortable. If he had approached me, I would have had nowhere to go. I had no phone at that point, and I was on the second floor apartment of a two apartment house. There was no escape. I would have died. You mean to tell me if that guy had turned violent on me after I asked him who he was, I should have allowed that? No, sorry, I refuse to be a victim.

This guy was a dumbass and I'm not disputing that. My personal use of a firearm to protect myself is in no way related to this guy's usage. The guy shot at a dark shadow, without identifying his target. He almost killed a family member he was trying to protect. You cannot demonize all gun owners on the actions of one idiot. The only thing I can say to defend him is maybe the adrenaline got to him, even then, he's still an idiot for shooting without knowing what he was aiming at.

[Stumblingdrunk]

You cannot demonize all gun owners on the actions of one idiot.

Stating the fact that adding a firearm to a situation makes it exponentially more dangerous for everyone inbolved is not demonizing gun owners. It is stating an irrefutable fact.

[notorious bum]

Do we need to post charts and graphs for the umpteenth time that disprove all these scary gun ideologies of robberies resulting in homeowners getting shot? This is white man's fantasyland, where they need a gun to protect their family by shooting first, asking questions later.

99% of robbers are looking for an easy mark, your dumbass with a gun, making it known that you're a dumbass with a gun, means that your robber(who obviously isn't a good one that knows you are home) is not going to get himself involved in a shootout like the fucking Wild West and will run like the rodent he is.

Unless you're a known drug dealer or are in a gang, I can't help but laugh at people who think their situation is so dire that they believe they need a gun locked and loaded at all times.

[BaneTheBrawler]

man hears someone in his garage, fills garage with mace. no one at the news gives a shit because he didn't just almost kill his own daughter, BG carries on.

[hey]

If you live in a house with other people, and you have a 'shoot first ask questions later' philosophy for anyone you find entering/roaming the house at night/early morning... it's only a matter of time before something like that happens.

Seriously this, what the fuck. People get up at night. To go to the bathroom, to get a drink, because they are sick and want to get some medicine, because they rolled out of bed, fell and broke their arm, and need their parent to drive them to the ER. How can you possibly live with other people and be surprised by people walking around the house at night?

[Bardicrune]

I have a gun in my home locked and loaded. If someone breaks into MY home (even if only to get a glass of water out of the tap), I'm going to shoot that person and claim self-defense. I earned the things I have, I didn't steal them from someone else, and no one is going to steal them from me.

In regards to the man who shot his daughter, that person is a fucking idiot. As Hey stated, if you live with someone else, it's probably NOT a thief moving around in your house.

[Ksandra]

It is not defending your family when what you actually do is shoot your child

I want to quote this ten million times but I cant. If you get something to protect your family, and then use it to harm one of your family members, you shouldn't have it.

but there's this thing called adrenaline and the fight-or-flight response and now I don't know about the rest of you but unless you've had training in intense situations where you're under heightened fear then chances are you can't even imagine how this guy rationalized his decision in the split second it took him to choose to pull the trigger.

Clearly this guy didn't either, and therefore shouldn't have a gun.

[Drex]

So no solutions from you then. Got it.

Again man fears someone breaking into his home at 3.30 in the morning. Damn right he is going to get a gun and shoot whoevere he thinks is breaking in. Who the fuck is going to stand by and let a stranger have there way with their home?! The daughter broke curfew the man had legitament fear it was someone else, he isn't going to ask the asshole his purpose.

End result is horrible but not due to negligence.

If dude cared about his daughter as much as he claims to, he would have gone to her room and realized what was up. He neglected to have a plan ready, which should have been for her to call the cops while he guards the door. Instead he let his panic put him in a dangerous situation (what happens to his daughter if he gets himself killed forcing a confrontation?) and he did aomething incredibly reckless.

[Aksannyi]

I'm not sure I would rely on a teenage girl to be the one to call the cops in that type of situation. Or to really do anything except probably hide. Plus, I'm not sure what it accomplishes to wake someone up (assuming she was in bed and asleep as he assumed she was) and incite that kind of fear/panic response.

I get what you're trying to say, that way he would have known she wasn't home and wouldn't have shot her, but I've never heard of a family that has an "in case of break-ins" plan. Hell I would be surprised if most families even practice fire drills lol.

[shidobu]

lol... to think a pocket flash light could have prevented all of this... hurdur shot in the dark... get the fuck outa here..

[Ksandra]

but I've never heard of a family that has an "in case of break-ins" plan. Hell I would be surprised if most families even practice fire drills lol.

Well then, would that not be the issue here? If you (general) own a gun, then maybe you should create a plan and let the family know what the plan is. Rather than just shoot anything that walks in the door.

[Eticket]

This all sounds awfully familiar...


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/531...x2-940x627.jpg

[Ksandra]

moved from miss piggy thread

[myreality]

Well then, would that not be the issue here? If you (general) own a gun, then maybe you should create a plan and let the family know what the plan is. Rather than just shoot anything that walks in the door.

Let me chime in that the daughter tripped the alarm to her own house.......while trying to sneak back in......

[Aksannyi]

Well then, would that not be the issue here? If you (general) own a gun, then maybe you should create a plan and let the family know what the plan is. Rather than just shoot anything that walks in the door.

I don't disagree with this, guns in the home or not. Families should definitely be more prepared and have contingency plans.

[chazzyphizzle]

she was asking for it clearly

[Ksandra]

Let me chime in that the daughter tripped the alarm to her own house.......while trying to sneak back in......

So then that makes it ok to shoot her? what in the actual fuck?

[chazzyphizzle]

do we have a stat indicating how many home invasions actually end up with the homeowner injured in some way? just wondering where the "kill or be killed" rambo shit is coming from

[Edelweiss]

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