2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Ghost_Wheel22]

I fully agree that she was in the right to blow his fucking face off, he did enter the house. However, why couldn't the woman have stood 5-10 feet back from her door and announced her presence? There is a high probability that it would have prevented the breaking and entering.

Yeah, why didn't that woman tell that big scary black guy holding a crowbar to get the hell off her lawn? She clearly knew his intentions, if he had a gun, where his buddies were at and how many there were, what THEY had in their hands, and knew that standing mere feet from said redguard holding a gun was perfectly safe.

BUT WAIT, she doesn't have a handgun in your world because you had them banned.

[Niiro]

The woman had no right to do what she did, all the guy wanted was to break into her house and steal some shit if she was threatened by that it's her fucking problem for being all emotional "wah wah my family" etc.

She should have stood in the hall and challenged him openly to single combat on the mountaintop or let him go about his business.

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What I'm gathering from Blubbar and Niiro in this thread is:

1) If you are home when a thief is trying to break in with a weapon, answering the door may dissuade them (or may cause them to break it down anyway).

Haha, stopped reading there. You're onto something it's so much easier this way.

[Blubbartron]

Yeah, why didn't that woman tell that big scary black guy holding a crowbar to get the hell off her lawn? She clearly knew his intentions, if he had a gun, where his buddies were at and how many there were, what THEY had in their hands, and knew that standing mere feet from said redguard holding a gun was perfectly safe.

BUT WAIT, she doesn't have a handgun in your world because you had them banned.

In my world she would've had a shotgun, and he would be missing most of his head.

[MrDodo]

Fuck the apologist. If someone breaks into your house they've signed their own death warrant. Carry it out at your own discretion.

All this theory crafting about how this could've been avoided entirely or ended without some scumbag ending up with five holes in his face is retarded, as it depends entirely on the criminal's mindset, reasoning skills, temperament, morals, and altruism. Which can't be all that great considering he is breaking into a home in broad daylight. I know of niggas killing for tennis shoes that don't even fit so think again if you think they won't clap your ass for opening the door or shoot you through it.

[Jeryhn]

The woman had no right to do what she did

Incorrect.

all the guy wanted was to break into her house and steal some shit if she was threatened by that it's her fucking problem for being all emotional "wah wah my family" etc.

He broke into her house carrying a crowbar. You are an idiot if someone with a crowbar who is breaking into a house isn't also going to use it as a weapon. More to the point, you know nothing of his intent to say he was only there to steal some shit.

She should have stood in the hall and challenged him openly to single combat on the mountaintop or let him go about his business.

Motherfucker, she's a mom with children. You think she's gonna consider letting them out of her sight, or worse: potentially letting them watch him murder her, and then doing whatever to them when she's down? She absolutely did the right thing, stayed with her children, and capped his ass when he came too close. Mom of the fucking year.

[Niiro]

Please tell me you're playing along.

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Please, seriously, if the sarcasm was missed people really have honest to fucking god not read a word I've said.

[Jeryhn]

Poe's law applies to general stupidity on the internet as well, it seems.

[BaneTheBrawler]

Please tell me you're playing along.

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Please, seriously, if the sarcasm was missed people really have honest to fucking god not read a word I've said.

[Niiro]

Um no, I've been saying this woman's actions were unjustified from the very beginning, seriously go back and read.

Under no circumstances does she have any right to commit violence against an intruder no matter how vulnerable or terrified she is for her own life or her children. I think I've been very consistent about that.

[Krazy]

Do you have Down's?

[Mertron]

#1 and #2 assume the robber is a young punk, a drug addict or someone skittish and not a career criminal or an organized burglary.

i am frequently robbed by moustachioed men with top hats and pocket watches on gold chains, who speak in funny british accents. they usually ask first if i would terribly mind being plundered.

[Ragnus]

The woman had no right to do what she did, all the guy wanted was to break into her house and steal some shit if she was threatened by that it's her fucking problem for being all emotional "wah wah my family" etc.

Tried to stay out of this argument as long as I could but then this happened. You have to be trolling at this point. Some dude breaks in her door and you expect her to sit down and have tea with the guy over an existential conversation vs trying to get the guy out of her person space asap? Anyone who can even begin have this thought train has never even come close to having their home broken into. Let alone knowing how unnerving it is to have had an intruder when you assume that you're safe in your own home.

[Churchill]

I wake up every day hoping I get to get my kill on.

/jelly

[quannum]

Niiro can you at least give the story of what you think COULD have happened differently?

[zoobernut]

Um no, I've been saying this woman's actions were unjustified from the very beginning, seriously go back and read.

Under no circumstances does she have any right to commit violence against an intruder no matter how vulnerable or terrified she is for her own life or her children. I think I've been very consistent about that.

Well at least you distilled down your stance to one straight forward statement. Although I think you officially went full retard with this one. I can't think of any valid argument that supports the idea that someone does not have the right to defend their personal space from someone else let alone defend their family. I assume you live in a cardboard box and have no family right? That way you have nothing for others to take or encroach upon.

[ronin sparthos]

Under no circumstances does she have any right to commit violence against an intruder no matter how vulnerable or terrified she is for her own life or her children. I think I've been very consistent about that.

Uh... so your position is one of inaction? She has no right to defend herself against a perceived threat?

[Tajin]

Niiro succesful troll January 2013.
Edit: For that ^ quote.

[Aristio]

Under no circumstances does she have any right to commit violence against an intruder

Here's me taking the bait.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

Many states have some form of Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground law. Alabama,Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida,Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan,Mississippi, Missouri, Montana,New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas,Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming have adopted Castle Doctrine statutes, and other states (Iowa, Virginia,and Washington) have considered "Stand Your Ground" laws of their own.

Pretty sure she has a legal right to shoot that burglar in the face and I would too.

[kuronosan]

Um no, I've been saying this woman's actions were unjustified from the very beginning, seriously go back and read.

Under no circumstances does she have any right to commit violence against an intruder no matter how vulnerable or terrified she is for her own life or her children. I think I've been very consistent about that.

Wat

[archibaldcrane]

Niiro succesful troll January 2013.
Edit: For that ^ quote.

Yeah, it was quite the shooting the moon event. Kudos. Start from one place, and then when people object say fuck it and go full retard trollface.