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    Sperm donor forced to pay child support

    http://ktla.com/2013/01/03/sperm-don...child-support/
    TOPEKA, Kan. — A sperm donor is being ordered to pay child support to a couple he helped have a child.

    William Marotta says he gave up all legal rights to the little girl.

    But under Kansas law, because the couple didn’t use a doctor to get pregnant with Marotta’s sperm, the state says he’s responsible for the monthly child support payments, according to FOX 4.

    Marotta met the lesbian couple through a Craigslist ad seeking a sperm donor.

    The post made by couple Angela Bauer and Jennifer Schreiner — William Marotta and his wife responded.

    “They were a couple. They couldn’t have children by themselves. Its something I could help with,” Marotta told FOX 4.

    Marotta says he didn’t receive any payment and signed away any parental rights long before the little girl was born.

    But in October 2012, Marotta says the Kansas Department for Children and Family Services informed him he was being ordered to pay $200 a month in support.

    According to court documents, the state argues that because the insemination was not performed by a licensed doctor, the sperm donor contract was null and void.

    Marotta believes the state’s argument is at least partially politically motivated.

    “I think if this was a lesbian couple in southern California I don’t think it would even be an issue right now,” he said.

    Marotta says the child’s mothers fully support him and have told the state they are the ones who should be held responsible.
    Worst of the articles I've read, but the other ones were pretty TL;DR, so I went with this one



    Do you guys think this guy should be responsible?

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    Marotta says he didn’t receive any payment and signed away any parental rights long before the little girl was born.
    Welp, that's that.

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    so it was a lesbian couple, and no doctor inseminated them, then im guessing he fucked one of em?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cail View Post
    so it was a lesbian couple, and no doctor inseminated them, then im guessing he fucked one of em?
    I'm slightly confused on this issue as well.

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    I'm supposing they could have used some sort of syringe-type deal, sucked up the splooge and squirted it in, which yes, is gross, but would have worked. And would have been a hell of a lot cheaper than via the doctor.

    I don't know why a contract is not being treated like a contract here ... who cares how they got the sperm? They all agreed prior to the arrangement and signed documents so what is the issue here? And who is mandating the child support? Just the state? Because from this article it doesn't even seem like the couple wants him to pay. So why is this even an issue? Fucking government needs to know when to butt the fuck out.

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    Yeah this is pretty ridiculous. At least the mothers are on his side so he should get to keep his money. I dont even understand how or why the state went after him if the mothers didnt ask for it.

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    Re: Sperm donor forced to pay child support

    More proactive stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aksannyi View Post
    So why is this even an issue? Fucking government needs to know when to butt the fuck out.
    This is Kansas we're talking about. While it's not as backward as some of the more southern states (like mine), it's still significantly conservative. Their goal is to get government out of private affairs... unless it has to do with reproduction, women, or gay people. In which case, "what can we do to fuck them over some more?" seems to be the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurell View Post
    Yeah this is pretty ridiculous. At least the mothers are on his side so he should get to keep his money. I dont even understand how or why the state went after him if the mothers didnt ask for it.
    My guess is that when they were at the hospital delivering, they freely informed the nurse of where the father was and why he was not around. Undoubtedly that information was circulated among the nurses and staff, and eventually reached the ears of somebody who couldn't pass up an opportunity to try to fuck these people over.

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    Expected the mothers did an about face as I was reading the article but no they are actually on his side, can the state actually impose child support if the parent doesn't ask for it? Seems fucking weird to me but I'm pretty ignorant to child support laws.

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    Well, if the guy can't get out of the payments, it looks like they'll have to do a monthly "Here's your check, here's your money for that check" deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cail View Post
    so it was a lesbian couple, and no doctor inseminated them, then im guessing he fucked one of em?
    Quote Originally Posted by Buffy View Post
    I'm slightly confused on this issue as well.
    It's not unusual for one of the donors to actually have sex with the person carrying the child. I know loads of friends who are gay, wanted kids, so they arranged for friend to be the womb, but instead of going to the doctor for artificial insemination, they just did the deed themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurell View Post
    Yeah this is pretty ridiculous. At least the mothers are on his side so he should get to keep his money. I dont even understand how or why the state went after him if the mothers didnt ask for it.
    From what i'm gathering, the State doesn't seem to want to recognize the lesbian's couple relationship as legitimate, or at least that's what i understood by "politically motivated'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuya View Post
    From what i'm gathering, the State doesn't seem to want to recognize the lesbian's couple relationship as legitimate, or at least that's what i understood by "politically motivated'.

    even if that is true, that still doesn't explain the court order. Even single straight moms have to request child support. It really just flat out seems like kansas wants to give a "fuck you" to gay couples.

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    From a link from that article:
    Marotta says the couple had split up and the birth mother, Jennifer, filed for social welfare. Though, Marotta says, both mothers are still in the picture and still acting as the child’s parents.
    “Jennifer was pressured, coerced in essence to give my name,” he said.
    My first thought was, why wouldn't they just deny it being his? How would the state even know? In Kansas Lesbians are allowed to adopt children, but not as a couple so the other woman was not the legal parent of the child, so I think legally he would still be considered the father. Jennifer was an idiot (or manipulative ho) to give his name, because why else would the state be asking her that question.

    Certainly adding a secrecy clause to the agreement would not work, as they are ignoring the agreement completely. Perhaps the best case would be for the birthmother to adopt the child to her partner so that the man would legally removed from the situation., I'm sure quite a tangle would be created if they were petty enough to try to get into a custody dispute, but at least the problem would be localized to the active parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cail View Post
    so it was a lesbian couple, and no doctor inseminated them, then im guessing he fucked one of em?
    There are at home insemination kits you can buy that include either cups or syringes to get the sperm where it needs to go. Hetero couples with fertility issues also use these even while under the care of a specialist if they want to preserve some semblance of intimacy in the process, or to save money from having a doctor do it in the office.

    That said, this is serious bullshit and should not hold up. I agree with the guy that it seems very politically motivated.

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    I am failing to understand how he is responsible at all. Smells like political bullshit to me too.

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    Re: Sperm donor forced to pay child support

    It's legit, and it's why I hate Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot View Post
    He could actually get the ruling overturned on Constitutional grounds. Under the Contracts Clause, state governments cannot interfere with the rights of individuals to enter into contracts unless it's a valid exercise of police power or what they're doing amounts to regulation. If they want to pass a statute saying that sperm donors to lesbian couples can't avoid child support payments through contracts, they can do that (though that would probably be stricken down eventually on other grounds), but they can't just mandate that one guy pay child support when all parties entered into an agreement ahead of time stating that he wouldn't.

    I guess the state is claiming the bit about them not using a doctor violates state law, and therefore makes the contract invalid (illegal contracts can always be overridden)?
    It's a legally-bound contract. The state doesn't have grounds to violate that because there is no state law that says sperm donation must come from a doctor. All he has to do is say he had sex with one of them and that argument goes out the window. What's the difference between rubbing sperm into her vagina using your penis, a finger, or someone else's finger? A donation is a donation. The state is arguing this issue because 1) it involves lesbians, 2) it didn't involve a doctor, and 3) they didn't get anything out of it.

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    Sperm donor forced to pay child support

    At least he sounds like he's got a good lawyer on his side. They're going to cite a 2007 case in which the Kansas Supreme Court ruled against a sperm donor seeking parental rights because he did not have any such agreement with the mother, and basically flip the argument.