High School football team's "Rape Crew" exposed by Anonymous.

[Plow]

I disagree, because it's stupid to place rape above murder, assault/battery, or any other crime. The bystander effect/diffusion of responsibility applies to ALL emergency situations. We should tell people that anytime they identify an emergency they should do something about it (instead of assuming someone else has taken care of it). That's how you combat the bystander effect.

No, no, you combat it by finding a precise percentage of responsibility to ascribe the victim of the crime.

You'll have to explain how pointing out someone made also made poor decision means you believe they deserve rape. This sounds like quite the leap.
Huge disconnect indeed.

What reason is there to harp on about her mistakes other than to direct responsibility to her?

[archibaldcrane]

I disagree, because it's stupid to place rape above murder, assault/battery, or any other crime.

If you don't think it's more important to speak up when a rape is occurring vs. a wall being graffitied I don't know what to tell you.

[Rhinox]

Must be terrible living in this rape culture as a female. Always being on the lookout of rapists around every corner. Also being forced to stay relatively sober in parties full of strangers. Not leaving drinks unguarded when going off to the ladies room like the good olé days. Always having a friend to lookout for you when you're drinking.


The burden of all these extra precautions parents are teaching kids nowadays is almost overwhelming

[Plow]

I wonder if he managed to keep a straight face while he wrote that.

[RKenshin]

try reading the part of my post you intentionally clipped out because it directly answers that question?

What? That part of your post had EVEN LESS to do with my point that the part I quoted, hence leaving it out:

There's a really simple distinction in that if alcohol causes you to harm others, you're responsible.
If alcohol causes harm to yourself, such as alcohol poisoning, you're responsible.

Alcohol doesn't cause someone to rape you. Being a rapist causes someone to rape you.

Exactly how does that answer this question?

When you admit that the statistical level of risk you put yourself in can subject you to reasonable calls for more personal responsibility, where is this arbitrary point at which it flips from not OK to OK? (putting aside whatever specific result out of your control we're talking about)

Do you not even know what you write in your own posts? Or am I missing something?

[Ksandra]

Must be terrible living in this rape culture as a female. Always being on the lookout of rapists around every corner. Also being forced to stay relatively sober in parties full of strangers. Not leaving drinks unguarded when going off to the ladies room like the good olé days. Always having a friend to lookout for you when you're drinking.


The burden of all these extra precautions parents are teaching kids nowadays is almost overwhelming

Let's be real. Rape culture isn't everyone and everything in every situation. But yes, situations where a rape happens with a ton of witnesses who don't report it, and a school that tries to cover it up is a part of rape culture.

[Blubbartron]

It can be different stages. Most kids that age are probably under the "excuse and/or tolerate" because of peer pressure. They probably don't think rape is "a OK" but that "she was passed out, so what?"

Also, "I don't know what it is 'cause I think it's retarded," is full of lol. You might want to think about what you're posting before you start typing.

Feminism changes its arguments and latches onto different buzz words every other year. I can't be bothered to keep up with those wingnuts.

I also disagree that they're pressured into thinking things like "she was passed out, so what?" The concept that something isn't as bad if the victim isn't conscious to experience their being victimized is incredibly common. It stems from the idea that morality is determined by the effect that actions have. For instance, if a girl wakes up and never finds out she was molested/raped while she was unconscious, she'll simply continue on as if nothing happened (because from her perspective/understanding, nothing happened). That doesn't make it ok to do, because if she ever did find out, it's effectively as bad as if she had been conscious the whole time. For a non-permanent injury like molestation/rape (i.e. no tearing of hymen/anus, no STIs given, no pregnancy), the trauma is a result of the knowledge that you were victimized, not actually being victimized.

[Blubbartron]

If you don't think it's more important to speak up when a rape is occurring vs. a wall being graffitied I don't know what to tell you.

Graffiti isn't an emergency.

[Ksandra]

Feminism changes its arguments and latches onto different buzz words every other year. I can't be bothered to keep up with those wingnuts.

What on earth does feminism have to do with rape culture? Even if they believe it, I'm sure they also believe the earth is round. Does the earth belong to feminism now?

I also disagree that they're pressured into thinking things like "she was passed out, so what?" The concept that something isn't as bad if the victim isn't conscious to experience their being victimized is incredibly common. It stems from the idea that morality is determined by the effect that actions have.

I can't stare at my screen hard enough....that's exactly part of rape culture....

[archibaldcrane]

I disagree, because it's stupid to place rape above murder, assault/battery, or any other crime.

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[Ksandra]

Graffiti isn't an emergency.

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I disagree, because it's stupid to place rape above murder, assault/battery, or any other crime.

[edit] archi faster than me!

[Plow]

What? That part of your post had EVEN LESS to do with my point that the part I quoted, hence leaving it out:

Exactly how does that answer this question?

Do you not even know what you write in your own posts? Or am I missing something?

harm to yourself vs others harming you

how is this so hard to grasp

I'm literally drawing the precise line you're asking for.

[Blubbartron]

What on earth does feminism have to do with rape culture? Even if they believe it, I'm sure they also believe the earth is round. Does the earth belong to feminism now?



I can't stare at my screen hard enough....that's exactly part of rape culture....

Because, as evidenced by your very post, feminism has decided to change the label of what we call "culture" into "rape culture". Nowhere in the two bold sentences did I mention rape. Not once. But you still interpret that thought process as only pertaining to rape, instead of everything in general. If I beat a guy with soap in a sock while he's passed out drunk, and the next day he wakes up with no bruises, and no pain (don't ask how, miracles), what I did was still wrong, but it's not as wrong as beating him with the intention to inflict pain for him to experience.

[ringthree]

What on earth does feminism have to do with rape culture? Even if they believe it, I'm sure they also believe the earth is round. Does the earth belong to feminism now?



I can't stare at my screen hard enough....that's exactly part of rape culture....

If you go to the dentist, and are put under for oral surgery, and the dentist rapes you while you are under, it's OK!

This thread is the most stupid thread on this forum right now, and maybe ever.

[Byrthnoth]

This thread makes me want to just post cat pictures. I don't even like cats.

Rape is bad. Drinking does not and should not necessarily lead to rape. Passing out drunk among a bunch of horny jocks does increase your odds of getting raped and a smart person wouldn't do it. Stupid people are equal under the law, so the previous sentence doesn't matter. The end.

[TacoTaru]

Feminism changes its arguments and latches onto different buzz words every other year. I can't be bothered to keep up with those wingnuts.

I also disagree that they're pressured into thinking things like "she was passed out, so what?" The concept that something isn't as bad if the victim isn't conscious to experience their being victimized is incredibly common. It stems from the idea that morality is determined by the effect that actions have. For instance, if a girl wakes up and never finds out she was molested/raped while she was unconscious, she'll simply continue on as if nothing happened (because from her perspective/understanding, nothing happened). That doesn't make it ok to do, because if she ever did find out, it's effectively as bad as if she had been conscious the whole time. For a non-permanent injury like molestation/rape (i.e. no tearing of hymen/anus, no STIs given, no pregnancy), the trauma is a result of the knowledge that you were victimized, not actually being victimized.

15/10 Jesus fucking Christ this guy lol

[Bregor]

Because, as evidenced by your very post, feminism has decided to change the label of what we call "culture" into "rape culture". Nowhere in the two bold sentences did I mention rape. Not once. But you still interpret that thought process as only pertaining to rape, instead of everything in general. If I beat a guy with soap in a sock while he's passed out drunk, and the next day he wakes up with no bruises, and no pain (don't ask how, miracles), what I did was still wrong, but it's not as wrong as beating him with the intention to inflict pain for him to experience.

[Ksandra]

Because, as evidenced by your very post, feminism has decided to change the label of what we call "culture" into "rape culture". Nowhere in the two bold sentences did I mention rape. Not once.

Are you suggesting an attribute to rape culture can ONLY be a part of rape culture? Really? I never said the idea was exclusive. I can honestly say you don't even remotely have a clue on what you're talking about.

[Blubbartron]

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[edit] archi faster than me!

My bad, I forgot to use the word "serious" to describe the crimes. I was clearly talking about crimes that involve injury to people. Those are emergencies.

[zoobernut]

If you go to the dentist, and are put under for oral surgery, and the dentist rapes you while you are under, it's OK!

This thread is the most stupid thread on this forum right now, and maybe ever.

I am not defending what Blubbar is saying by any means but the least you could do is read what is actually written. This is a pretty stupid leap of logic and no one anywhere in the thread said that rape is OK at all in any circumstance.