Neverwinter

[Shiyo]

Rogues:

-Do as much damage as control wizard at range
-Have a CC break(?)
-Have a gap closer to instantly teleport you behind the target
-Have a 5 second silence
-Have a dodge
-Have stealth
-Have the highest single target and burst in game

Is there a reason anyone PVP's on anything but rogue?

[Shiyo]

You break free from most control effects, and for several seconds you Deflect all incoming attacks and are immune to further control effects.

Stealthed: You become completely untouchable to your enemies, dodging their attacks and receiving no damage.

18 sec cooldown

Seriously.........

[Hioki]

There are a couple infinite stealth builds as well.

Also throne of idris. No guardian no cleric. 3 gwf and 2 cw. Absolutely wrecked the area with about 15 pots. Highest dps at 1.6m lol.

[Gulkeeva]

There are a couple infinite stealth builds as well.

Also throne of idris. No guardian no cleric. 3 gwf and 2 cw. Absolutely wrecked the area with about 15 pots. Highest dps at 1.6m lol.

Don't ever really need an actual healer, the NPC healer does a dam good job imo (not only does it heal you, it heals others in the group and the npc's heal each other also)

infact you can do that last boss... having some NPC "tank" tank the boss down stairs, have ranged sit up top and just mash buttons... never get hit, and have someone kite the 2 adds (she won't summon any more), killed her pretty quick without anyone really taking any damage or even having to move.

Too bad the Lv34 instance boss, you can't cheese it the same ;/ That and the dragon boss hits about 3-4X harder with its attacks, and it easily has 2-3X the hp of Lv 38 boss (and also summons adds constantly). Shit soorta hits the fan when theirs.. 1 demon giant general thing, 4 summoned fire pillar demons + 6-10+ imps flying around, and the dragon aoe stun + poison puddles everywhere (he starts rage modeing or something around 25% hp and does a new 3 way poison puddle attack with varying range, no warning circles to show you where he's firing a big circle of poison)

I kinda want to see more instances like it, that shit is hardcore

[Hioki]

Yea tried the 34 boss. Didn't clear since after the second wipe 3 people left. Got him to about 50%. We were doing fine with the adds. Healer just got caught in the bad way further from everyone. Figured i'd throw a point in the mark ability after that. Really wish the training tomes were available for companions. Vendor already has them for sale at the great price of coming soon lol.

[Shiyo]

Looking for more players for BG guild on mindflayer. message @myaki.

[Kiarax]

Don't ever really need an actual healer, the NPC healer does a dam good job imo (not only does it heal you, it heals others in the group and the npc's heal each other also)

infact you can do that last boss... having some NPC "tank" tank the boss down stairs, have ranged sit up top and just mash buttons... never get hit, and have someone kite the 2 adds (she won't summon any more), killed her pretty quick without anyone really taking any damage or even having to move.

Too bad the Lv34 instance boss, you can't cheese it the same ;/ That and the dragon boss hits about 3-4X harder with its attacks, and it easily has 2-3X the hp of Lv 38 boss (and also summons adds constantly). Shit soorta hits the fan when theirs.. 1 demon giant general thing, 4 summoned fire pillar demons + 6-10+ imps flying around, and the dragon aoe stun + poison puddles everywhere (he starts rage modeing or something around 25% hp and does a new 3 way poison puddle attack with varying range, no warning circles to show you where he's firing a big circle of poison)

I kinda want to see more instances like it, that shit is hardcore

The 41 dungeon just instant rapes NPCs, definitely need a more balanced party for it.

[Shiyo]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The 41 dungeon just instant rapes NPCs, definitely need a more balanced party for it.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Zzsark]

Is the in-game attack/healing value worth paying attention to or does it not really reflect accurately whats better for dps?

[Gulkeeva]

Made a video of the 2nd dragon boss instance, wasn't too bad with no actual healer or tank the entire run.


(best watched 1080p/original)

Easier then the Lv34 instance because the adds here do crap, where as the Lv34 boss adds do a flaming pillar+leaves lava on the ground +burns if you touch it/hit by hit (and you can't toss adds off a cliff).
Other than that the boss does the same stuff.
Also, control wizard is pretty scary in dps in higher lvls once ya get the +20% damage on no chill target thing and stormstrike! (able to keep up with damage as long as I'm actually alive, even if their 3-4 lvls over me)

Is the in-game attack/healing value worth paying attention to or does it not really reflect accurately whats better for dps?

Depends on class? rogue seem to love crit, as for control wizard, early on power, later levels power -> armor pen/crit (mostly armor pen). Hitting 5000-8000's and seeing a damage resist of 2000+ makes me sad ;/

[SamanosukeShiva]

lmao 4 wizards

Partying with wizards with singularity is fun as hell

[Gulkeeva]

lmao 4 wizards

Partying with wizards with singularity is fun as hell

I like my aoe ice wave ;/
(notice at one point it crits near 6K!, would be near 8-9K if I had actual armor pen!)

I did a dps display nearing the end , I'll try to point it out what time it was at, but going full power, still does pretty well.

[Kiarax]

AoE ice wave is fucking annoying. Oh look all the enemies are ready to AoE down, oh wait nevermind some chucklefuck Wizard sent them all in a 5 mile radius. If you ain't using the black hole ur a faget.

Edit: Armor pen is less useful in a balanced group too, any GWF who isn't silly will be stacking on perma 45% def reduction, Cleric gets a def down too but I dunno how many use it.

[Shiyo]

I like my aoe ice wave ;/
(notice at one point it crits near 6K!, would be near 8-9K if I had actual armor pen!)

I did a dps display nearing the end , I'll try to point it out what time it was at, but going full power, still does pretty well.

Seriously? Using AOE ice wave? No wonder you're doing as much damage as real DPS classes, you're griefing your entire group and being annoying as fuck. If you knock everything away from melee, of course you're going to be doing even more damage.

Stop using it in groups, be a team player. It's bad, black hole is always better, and ice knife is better single target on bosses. A wizards main job is CC and positioning, by black holding groups of enemies perfectly you decrease kill time by a lot, increase survivability of everyone, and make everything a ton easier. By knocking shit away constantly, you just annoying and griefing everyone and only padding your own meaningless DPS.

[Gulkeeva]

AoE ice wave is fucking annoying. Oh look all the enemies are ready to AoE down, oh wait nevermind some chucklefuck Wizard sent them all in a 5 mile radius. If you ain't using the black hole ur a faget.

haha yeah it does drive some people insane, but I do like instantly killing adds with it, or getting mobs off me. A lot of groups have no healer or tank (just the NPC healer/npc tank) and that won't be saving me, much less that vortex thing that takes a good 3-4 seconds to pull anything, Ice aoe is a 2 sec cast 20-30feet knock back + 3-4 knockdown + slow effect.

On the fight in the video, its pretty much necessary... or you can't win the fight. (No amount of rogues can do enough damage to offset the obscene healing those 2 healer mobs had).

Also, aoe ice isn't as bad as 3 CW's spamming repel (although its hilarious to see a mob go flying about 1-2 rooms back)

Seriously? Using AOE ice wave? No wonder you're doing as much damage as real DPS classes, you're griefing your entire group and being annoying as fuck. If you knock everything away from melee, of course you're going to be doing even more damage.

Stop using it in groups, be a team player. It's bad, black hole is always better, and ice knife is better single target on bosses. A wizards main job is CC and positioning, by black holding groups of enemies perfectly you decrease kill time by a lot, increase survivability of everyone, and make everything a ton easier. By knocking shit away constantly, you just annoying and griefing everyone and only padding your own meaningless DPS.

Guessing you didn't watch the video, on where where, and how I'm using ice wave? Then again you may not after this post, so I'll type it out.

1. When being attacked by several mobs. Blackhole has a several sec cast time + takes a few seconds to "pull" mobs, when your going to die within 5 seconds or less, every second counts.

2. I use the ice wave to kill adds + hit boss/knock adds off side of the cliff (if you check the video, I check around to make sure no one else is coming to attack it before doing it, then get in range to hit the boss + add(s).

[Shiyo]

On the fight in the video, its pretty much necessary... or you can't win the fight. (No amount of rogues can do enough damage to offset the obscene healing those 2 healer mobs had).

I did the fight 3 times without using it and people said multiple times "fastest run I've done". Completed it without a rogue all 3 times, guardian/cleric/gf/gf/wizard x2 and guardian/cleric/gf/wizard/wizard.

[Kiarax]

Yeah we did it 3x for daily, 0 rogues, 0 ice AoE. CW is Godly for it just for CC. You can focus Mystic down pretty easy (Shiyo and I would duo them fine when the Guardian stopped dragging the dragon on to us) if you actually just... control them. Our Guardian and the other GWF were complete dead weight in this run but you can see we still won just fine with shitters and no Rogue:

[Gulkeeva]

I did the fight 3 times without using it and people said multiple times "fastest run I've done". Completed it without a rogue all 3 times, guardian/cleric/gf/gf/wizard x2 and guardian/cleric/gf/wizard/wizard.

The instance was fast, till the very end. Dunno the dragon went down pretty good rate, even with a person that left mid fight, but as much stuff as we threw at those things, and to see their hp go back to 100% in 2-3 seconds soorta sucked ;/ would have made it easier to just launch it all off the cliff. (especially our setup, with no healers or tanks)

[Zzsark]

Those mystics are complete BS when they get near each other.

[Kiarax]

Yeah you need to try and separate or control them. Shiyo and I would just chain CC on one and outdamage the others heal. If the other DPS would have listened and helped focus one down it would have been much easier but we still managed. Unfortunately we constantly get queued with bads who won't even listen. I'm really glad the difficulty spikes but it makes PUGs painful at times. I made a comment about it matching up with foreigners before but funnily enough the french players we got matched with have been the most talkative and cooperative. Apparently the BRs rolled on a diff server so hopefully we can stay free of their plague.