Neverwinter

**Cheerios** · 2013-05-21 13:46

Originally Posted by Meresgi

Isn't the real money auction house or w/e set up and running in game? I havnt kept up to tabs but if real money is involved I don't regard it as "just beta testing teehee" type stuff.

The cash shop is running and functional. That, along with the promise of "no complete character wipes" makes this a launch, not beta. They really painted themselves into a corner with this approach.

**Kuishen** · 2013-05-21 14:21

Originally Posted by Cheerios

The cash shop is running and functional. That, along with the promise of "no complete character wipes" makes this a launch, not beta. They really painted themselves into a corner with this approach.

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**Meresgi** · 2013-05-21 16:26

Originally Posted by Cheerios

The cash shop is running and functional. That, along with the promise of "no complete character wipes" makes this a launch, not beta. They really painted themselves into a corner with this approach.

Yeah that's not a "beta" in most terms then, especially if they arnt even doing a character wipe. It's a live game. Granted 99% of MMOs launch with bugs so that's to be expected, but when you're dealing with a real money system...I expect at least the bugs dealing with finances to be worked out beforehand.

**Kuishen** · 2013-05-21 17:10

Again, the exploit had nothing to do with real life money.

**nekura** · 2013-05-21 17:41

Maybe not directly, but considering you can exchange astral diamonds for Zen, the currency purchased with real money, I'd still say it was involved.

**Kiarax** · 2013-05-21 17:41

Someone mentioned selling AD to RMT sites for big money. Infinite AD made the cash shop completely worthless too and completely fucked the economy and value of zen. It has a lot to do with real life money.

**Cheerios** · 2013-05-21 20:16

Originally Posted by Kiarax

Someone mentioned selling AD to RMT sites for big money. Infinite AD made the cash shop completely worthless too and completely fucked the economy and value of zen. It has a lot to do with real life money.

Precisely. Since you can convert AD -> Zen in the first place (and AD at that point was flowing in), it very much has an effect on real money and the cash shop. I'm not sure what Kuishen isn't seeing.

**Kuishen** · 2013-05-21 20:48

People in here getting mad that shit they bought temporarily diminished in value because of a glitch in a beta. If it had a lasting effect then I would maybe give your argument credence, but it didn't. (Aside from having certain functions disabled until they can make sure it won't happen again.)

People also making up new definitions of the word "beta".

Man, GW2 launched and there were several glitches throughout the months that caused people to become insanely rich, which they could convert to the Cash Shop currency. One of those glitches was fixed but the people that exploited it weren't punished and it's still wreaking havoc on the market for those items. That didn't get half of the venom this game, which is currently in beta, is receiving.

You can argue all you want that because it has a cash shop that it's not a beta but it doesn't make you correct.

**SamanosukeShiva** · 2013-05-21 20:52

I haven't been affected by this crashed economy either. I didn't do the bug, didn't find out until after the fact, if anything, when they open up the AH back again, I can probably sell my T3 shit for boat load of AD since I guess apparently everyone are rich now. T3 weapons were selling for 5m-10m a pop before the crash, I wonder how much I can sell them for now

**Cheerios** · 2013-05-21 23:46

The Auction House bug is just the straw that broke the camel's back for a lot of people.

Much of the hatred this game receives comes from Closed Beta bugs, which were very well documented and reported, that still made it into the Open Beta: Exploiting foundry, sharing quests to bypass leveling, tier set bonus bugs allowing people to destroy enemies instantly, chest farming exploits (still in the game), rogues forcibly causing people to disconnect by using a series of abilities, afk in pvp for levels and glory, dungeon speed exploits, resetting bosses to continuously loot them, and much more.

In addition to those bugs, it was also announced that there would never be a character wipe or complete rollback once Open Beta started.

Cash shop?
- Fine, it needs to be tested for launch.
Extremely slow acknowledgement of bugs?
-Shit happens, it's beta.
Exploits?
-Whatever, that's what the testing is for.
No wipes, extremely late bug fixes on well-documented issues, AND a cash shop?
-lol

That's why people are "making up new definitions of the word 'beta'". It was confirmed and chiseled into stone that there will not be a complete rollback or wiping of characters in a game that was plagued by known bugs since day 1, yet they still let people put money into the game. The issue here is much bigger than the one that caused the 7-hour rollback. This has been an ongoing turd fest and cash-grab, and people are fed up with it.

The whipped cream: People coming from Diablo 3 to try the game are pissed that an economy-breaking bug went on in this game, too, and was handled even worse.

The cherry on top: The most recent Auction House bug (involving bidding negative Astral Diamonds) happened with Cryptic/PWE's other game, Star Trek Online.

It's still a beta, but god damn.

**notorious bum** · 2013-05-22 06:43

And I thought TERA held the title for the most ignorant/lazy/out-of-touch MMO devs. Running potentially good MMO's into the ground because of cash shop prioritizing is like the new business model nowadays.

**Elcura** · 2013-05-22 07:03

Nah guys, it's beta. It's Beta so it'll be OK. It's OK because it's beta.

**Day** · 2013-05-22 07:47

I played some pvp last night as cleric holy shit was pretty fun. I like how it scales you to 19. Rogues seem kinda OP, guess that just reitterates what everyone already said in this thread. Cleric is pretty fun though, was cracking up at this one team of noobs that couldn't kill anyone on my team cause me and this other cleric were boss mode on them fools. Hadn't laughed like that in a while.

**tisiphone** · 2013-05-22 07:48

I for one is totes happy about the roll back because I get a shiny cape with a cat on it, best day ever!

**Shiyo** · 2013-05-22 08:02

Originally Posted by Day

I played some pvp last night as cleric holy shit was pretty fun. I like how it scales you to 19. Rogues seem kinda OP, guess that just reitterates what everyone already said in this thread. Cleric is pretty fun though, was cracking up at this one team of noobs that couldn't kill anyone on my team cause me and this other cleric were boss mode on them fools. Hadn't laughed like that in a while.

It doesn't scale you to 19, the scaling is completely broken and it scales your stats to be lower than your current level at almost all levels except x9.

**Day** · 2013-05-22 08:08

Weird. Hopefully they'll fix it. Impacted my fun zero amount.

**Kiarax** · 2013-05-22 08:50

Sometimes the diff is huge, really sucks in those cases but you can still have fun as long as you don't take it too seriously. Going from 58 -> 59 was insane, 1520 listed damage jumped to 3370, more than doubled my damage and from eyeballing it your survivability goes up a ton too.

**nekura** · 2013-05-22 11:39

I wonder if they have the tools in place to catch people using the unlimited stamina hack that's out there. :o

**Day** · 2013-05-22 13:30

I see what yall are saying now, when I dinged 19 it was like I was 3 times stronger in PVP. Got to do 3 matches and dinged 20 lol.

**Gulkeeva** · 2013-05-22 13:58

Here's to hoping the AH is fixed (supposedly on thursday) so I can make some AD to fund buying extra character slot and maybe a cat.. must... have cat...

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