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  1. #2841
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    So now with LS has been updated is SAM/DRK worth it? How much haste can we drop with marchx2 haste LS and hasso up? should be 13?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    dmg diff between lv 3, 4 and lv 5 merit ws w/ changes?

    was thinking of lv 5, lv 4, lv 3 x2 or lv 4 x3, lv 3 x1
    Per weaponskill, the gain of going from level 1 to level 5 is around 8% to 11% (so 3/5 to 5/5 would be about 4%-5%), depending on how much the base weapon contributes to damage compared to WSC values. Per job's overall DPS, it depends on the proportion of their damage that comes from weaponskills. Shoha will gain the most from 5/5 due to sam having something like a 25/75 melee/ws split. Meanwhile, the overall DPS increase between 1/5 and 5/5 for jobs like mnk and thf is maybe 3%-4%.

    Even just 1/5 is a decent to substantial step up for most of the weapons, now, compared to non-Empy options. At the low end you have Exenterator at about 10% over Evis/DE, or Shun at about 20% over Jin. At the high end you have Shoha at about 70% over Gekko.

    So I'd start the planning with 1 merit in each weaponkill that you want to have access to, particularly if it's a solid improvement over the alternatives available to you (eg: if you have Hi, there's no particular reason to get Shun); then split the remaining points among weaponskills for jobs that you use the most, with a bias towards high weaponskill fraction jobs.

    Sam gains a lot from further improvement in Shoha, so it's the main candidate for people to get 5/5 in. Any DW or H2H job gains fairly little, so sacrificing points from those to move into other new or improved weaponskills is a viable choice (ie: you gain more from opening a new weaponskill than you lose by dropping points from a given weaponskill).

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    Thanks for the detailed response.

    I'm 5/5 shoha, 4/5 dagger 4/5 h2h right now. Thinking of doing upheval to 3 and dagger to 3, leaving h2h at 4 till I finish spharai (honestly don't use it at all right now anyways, so maybe even 4/5 upheaval until I finish my relic or get nakuul wep; but then again, my war is an abyessea war, just use it when I'm in there farming, at which point, Raging Rush would still be the better option, no?


    On a side related note, thoughts on the acc-30 gax in Abyssea? Picked one up for 80k, figured it'd be better than my widowmaker for abyssea purposes since acc isn't really an issue

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    How do you pronounce Ochain?

    Bro-Chain

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    Can't log into FFXI after the update, windower just crashed after I hit play and regular POL says I don't have Direct3D installed (which I do, haven't done anything to my PC, just updated from the April29th update) any idea what's causing this or how to fix it?

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    Mnk + whm + procc jobs good for azdaja? Haven't done that fight before. I'd assume no counterstance post update

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Mnk + whm + procc jobs good for azdaja? Haven't done that fight before. I'd assume no counterstance post update
    What are you going for?

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    Coins for dnc af hands

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    If you don't have THF, MNK/NIN + WHM/THF + BLM/BRD avoiding days where darkness shows up

    Can toss a BLU in there if you know one that won't sap productivity, but Azdaja is incredibly easy to range/reset in the event of a BLU proc

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    I'd still counterstance it. The en-effects it has are a pain in the ass. I did all my horns MNK/THF with a WHM.

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    Personally if it's just af3+2 I'd just do another nm. It can still be rather annoying at times. But yeah pretty much any DD + outside mage can do it. Just be careful with the procs since flail has nice range. And be alert for when if it turns randomly. Had a fight recently was going great until it got a dispel thru killing my hp buff turned and immediatelly killed all my buffs including atmas

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    Can always maintain utsusemi if en-effects are problematic. I'd be weary of using CS when tail-tanking is the strategy

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodles355 View Post
    Escort Professor Chanoix assault soloable? I tried 2box whm+brd, figuring whm spam cure him and brd lullaby, but got overwhealmed. This just a "suck less" thing? Or would I have a better way of doing it? What about solo on rdm/sch, fully buffed just diagaing everything in sight and just holding or manifestation-gravity2ing?
    Bump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    Personally if it's just af3+2 I'd just do another nm. It can still be rather annoying at times. But yeah pretty much any DD + outside mage can do it. Just be careful with the procs since flail has nice range. And be alert for when if it turns randomly. Had a fight recently was going great until it got a dispel thru killing my hp buff turned and immediatelly killed all my buffs including atmas
    I've never had it dispel all my buffs and atmas at once. That sounds bizarre.

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    I remember doing this once. SV troub/night/marcato marchx2 and keep haste up, and spam repose/lullabies. Pretty much all there is to it. Sometimes you de-aggro stuff, but sometimes the old fart backtracks right into stuff you de-aggro but with horde you should be fine.

    Keeping him cured is good too, but he only got hit with a spell once when I redid it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    I've never had it dispel all my buffs and atmas at once. That sounds bizarre.
    I meant it casted dispel to get the cruor and such. Then like half a sec later turned and used the full dispel move that eats atmas. Was pretty lame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    On a side related note, thoughts on the acc-30 gax in Abyssea? Picked one up for 80k, figured it'd be better than my widowmaker for abyssea purposes since acc isn't really an issue
    Dies Irae with Raging Rush is amazing in Abyssea. It definitely destroys other options at that gear level/price range and you shouldn't have any accuracy issues.

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    Maybe I just got unlucky, but any tips for deelgeed on war + whm?

    got petrified on the first hit so couldn't get any hate, dropped a cure and got my mage killed. Was about a 30 second fight lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Maybe I just got unlucky, but any tips for deelgeed on war + whm?

    got petrified on the first hit so couldn't get any hate, dropped a cure and got my mage killed. Was about a 30 second fight lol
    Turn on Awful Eye, but you should really bring a 3rd person in case Torment Tusk kills you (NIN to cover the other red procs?). I think about half its moves cause enmity resets or dramatic enmity drops.

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