Random Question Thread

[Sechs]

Additionally, we also think we should focus on the adjustments and upgrades to job-specific equipment

Always wondered what they meant with that line.
My wet dream would be that to get upgrades to AF to bring them to ilevel 105 like RUN and GEO, but in all honesty that seems such a huge work that I can't see it happening. I'm confident they meant something else with the line above.

I purposefully used buffs that leave pdif uncapped because it give asuran greater benefit

This reminded me I did my tests before the july patch, it was a bit harder to cap att back then for MNK.

Here's the results I'm getting. Shijin Spiral on the left, Asuran Fists on the right.
Chapuli(102): 4273, 4343
Delve Fodder: 4197, 4239
Qilin: 3304, 3352
Ig-Alima: 2352, 2383
Tojil: 1489, 1214


Gear used is pretty much the default gear in the spreadsheet, I only changed a couple of items in the Asuran WS set, but didn't put anything special or from megabosses or 90+ mils stuff. Pretty normal items I'd say.
Of course buffs were pretty scarce, the ones active were Pizza+1, Berserk, Aggressor, Boost-STR and Haste which doesn't increase WS damage anyway.
Situation changes when you reach capped att and add Fighter's roll of course, like you said.
It also changes quite a lot if you use Rigor instead of Oaxitur.


tl;dr
I'm not trying to deny anything you said, I just think Shijin at 1/5 is not as essential as you said it is for a non-career MNK who's struggling to spend his merit WS points elsewhere (which was the situation we started this discussion from), since Asuran is a really nice compromise/alternative, while not being better overall of course.

My own observations were obviously anecdotal, was just playing around on Dynamis stuff and my Asuran beat Shijin pretty consistently, so I'm guessing Shijin gets better the stronger the monster is.

You probably need to get a better Shijin set, but also do keep in mind that typically Asuran Fists works really nice in situations where you don't have a lot of buffs or the ones a mule could provide.

[urat]

Reset router, then logged on once through legit ffxi (not windower) and problem seems to be solved. Can log in through windower again.

[Sechs]

Question for BST's and PUP's out there: Gearsets for capping pet haste?

Dunno what the optimal sets are but some really nice options which aren't too hard to obtain for PUP are
MKE helm (5% pet haste, -10% pet damage taken)
Pantin Dastanas +2 (4% Haste)
Moepapa Stone (5% Haste)
Omodaka Hizayoroi (4% Haste)
If you add zero maneuver Turbo Charger that's another 5% haste for a total of 23%

As for BST, you can use MKE helm and Moepapa Stone as well.
Other options would be augmented Adaman Sollerets (can get up to 4% pet haste with that, but good luck) and Skadi Hands +1 but they're not really something you can buy off the AH or get in a couple of days.
There's also Hunahpu for another 3% Pet Haste.
Oh yes, Monster Trousers +2. If you augment them and use Familiar, they're gonna grant your pet 10% haste until they die.
Dunno if this kind of haste counts as Gear Haste or not, keep in mind pets do have the same cap as player, so ~25% gear haste.

If you don't have MKE another decent option is Spurrer Beret, think both BST and PUP can use it.

[spider123]

ty sir. Finding different things to help break some of the delve monotony during downtimes!

[Malithar]

Reset router, then logged on once through legit ffxi (not windower) and problem seems to be solved. Can log in through windower again.

Got this tonight, as well as two other LS mates, FFXI error 3001, followed by 3100 if you kept logging in. Googled it and never really found a concrete solution (just lots of bullshit about port forwarding and such) and I had already tried resetting my router via unplugging, waiting 30 sec, plugging back in, with no luck. Found a post somewhere about how port forwarding wouldn't actually fix it, but it was a port that was hung up with the router itself, suggested a full router reset. Did that, and worked like a charm.

Doesn't make sense to me though, every post I found had multiple people from all different areas effected, was never just one person with an issue. Tonight for example, you, some LS mates, myself, some LS mates, and prolly countless others experienced it. How does that happen from a technical standpoint? I don't know much about server connections, but having your servers somehow screw with ports for multiple people seems like a pretty serious issue.

[Taim Meich]

Gear used is pretty much the default gear in the spreadsheet,

That's your problem, then. When you copare two WSs, you do one of the following: Compare them ith the optimal gear for each one or compare them for the optimal gear you can immediately have. Those cover the ideal setups and the right now, realistic setups.

Default options in the spreadsheet produce meaningless results.

[Damane]

If you were in my shoes, would you dump an Airlixir +2 or two into Bokwus Gloves? Gaining 4% haste next patch makes them the best stun recast hands, and dumping airs into the MND/Macc path will increase stun accuracy as well as serving double duty in boosting the MND on what was already the best-in-slot cure hands.

if they get 4% haste in the next update they are almost best in slot for 3 different cases with m.acc augment:
1. stun
2. cureing
3. and general stuff you want low recast

they arent then a bad debuff piece either if you are looking on saveing some inventory

the hands allow you to do a caped cure potency set up useing chatoyant staff, korin obi and twilight cape for further enhanced cure potency during lights day or with aurorastorm on.

[Sechs]

Default options in the spreadsheet produce meaningless results.

In general, yes.
But the gear there is pretty decent for both WSs, while not the best around.

Shijin Spiral
Oaxi / ... / ... / Honed
Whirl / Gorget / Blade / Steel
Khepri (aug) / Mustela / Rajas / Epona
Atheling / Caudata / Mani R15 / Thaumas

Asuran Fists
Oaxi / ... / ... / Honed
Chocaz / Gorget / Blade / Ghillie+1
Tantra+2 / Melee+2 / Rajas / Spiral
Vespid / Elebelt / ManiR15 / ManiR15

Not the best around, but pretty solid sets for both WS.
Shijin one is exactely the one I found in the spreadsheet.
Asuran Fists I changed a couple of pieces instead (was originally a set for Victory Smite).
It's not that I didn't change the sets because I wanted to leave them to default, but rather because I checked and found the set good enough and not particularly favouring one WS over the other. (If anything I thought I Was giving a small advantage to Shijin Spiral, actually)

Please do correct my reasoning where wrong.

[cdgreg]

Considering buying an atinian staff before the update next week because I'm afraid they are going to spike horrendously in price. My only concern is SE changing the stats before implementation and then I'm stuck with a sub-par 7m Gil paper weight. What are others thinking? Is this going to spike in price for a long time or will many players be happy enough with augmented soothsayer or their 15 inventory slots of Magian staves?

[Francisco]

What's needed accuracy wise for a Morimar Boss/NM run accuracy wise?

Saw a shout group forming last night, stuck at 17/18 looking for a MNK for at least half an hour. I asked in, and was immediately asked how much accuracy I had.

TP set came out to 633, and I was told "nope, not enough".

Rigors10 | - | - | Potestas
Mani10 | Aga | Steel | Blade
Thaumas | Melee+2 | Epona | Rajas
Atheling | Black | Mani15 | Mani15

Didn't bother to bargain my way into the group by revealing I could have swapped in Mantis Eye and Mani Body10 for an extra 34 accuracy.

Regardless, what should I be looking at accuracy wise for Delve boss runs?

[Fake]

Please do correct my reasoning where wrong.

The buffs you selected are stupid, having shijin available for when you do have fighter's roll is worth 1/5.

If you're someone who spends most of their time /dnc soloing obsolete content then who cares what you do. For the content which is currently relevant (pretty much just delve and a few salvage pieces) you won't be grossly underbuffed and shijin will pull decently ahead of asuran, especially if you have Rigor. Shijin is worth 1/5 if you use mnk on delve content and your damage actually matters, if you're still farming fodder mobs then do whatever the fuck you want.

[Sechs]

The buffs you selected are stupid

They're not "stupid", they're just very minimal buffs, but it's what I have available when I (and several other people) play MNK in occasional lowman content, solo, dualbox or plasm farms. I hardly get Fighter's even in those.
We can discuss how leaders/corsairs are stupid in handling their buffs but it's still the reality I live in.
It would be "stupid" for me to test WS in situations which are way better but would make no sense to me because I never play in those situations.
It's a "specific" situation for sure but it's what I meant when I said that Asuran can be a situationally valid alternative to Shijin.

As I attempted to better state my view later, I wasn't trying to say that AF is better than SS or that there is no purpose in meriting Shijin.
Just that I didn't agree with definying SS an unavoidable must even for random MNK players who are struggling to spend ws merit points elsewhere.
Because it's clear that:
1) if you're not a casual mnk player
2) if you don't have a problem spending 5 points in SS
Then there is no questioning about what to do.
In all the other situation AF is an inferior but acceptable alternative to SS.

This seemed like a realistic thing to say, given where the initial question was coming from, no?


Also, I do have SS and I do use it, I wasn't trying to convince other people only to consequentially reinforce my own choice, I was just trying to offer a point of view to the person who asked the initial question.
Because when you exclude situations where there is a perfect coordination of players and buff-distribution (which is more common than you may realize, in the world of PUGs outside of organize LSs) I really don't see such a huge difference between 1/5 SS and AF.
Altough we could debate the meaning of "huge" since for some people it could be 30 points of damage and for others over 600.
I never tried to pass on the idea that I believe AF is always better than SS and that there is no purpose in meriting it. Just that when you are looking for a compromise (which implies it will be an inferior choice) then AF could be that compromise in certain circumstances, allowing you to spend merit points in other WS you may like more or find more useful for the jobs you play more often.

[Squah]

What's needed accuracy wise for a Morimar Boss/NM run accuracy wise?

Saw a shout group forming last night, stuck at 17/18 looking for a MNK for at least half an hour. I asked in, and was immediately asked how much accuracy I had.

TP set came out to 633, and I was told "nope, not enough".

Rigors10 | - | - | Potestas
Mani10 | Aga | Steel | Blade
Thaumas | Melee+2 | Epona | Rajas
Atheling | Black | Mani15 | Mani15

Didn't bother to bargain my way into the group by revealing I could have swapped in Mantis Eye and Mani Body10 for an extra 34 accuracy.

Regardless, what should I be looking at accuracy wise for Delve boss runs?

I have 642 and I cap accuracy with sushi and proper buffs on both Daku and Tojil. This is using a windbuffet TP set with Brego gloves, too.


Edit: @Greg same thing I'm doing, except I bought all the mats (Urunday? Cheap as balls. Sap? Cheap as balls. Horn? Resellable) so if SE changes their mind I can just turn around and make my money back. I have a WW friend on standby to craft it, although I may just get it crafted once we do a Tojil since LS members can buy horns at 2mil each, so I won't be losing much and I want to look like I'm level 1 again.

[Fake]

Also, I do have SS and I do use it, I wasn't trying to convince other people only to consequentially reinforce my own choice, I was just trying to offer a point of view to the person who asked the initial question.
Because when you exclude situations where there is a perfect coordination of players and buff-distribution (which is more common than you may realize, in the world of PUGs outside of organize LSs) I really don't see such a huge difference between 1/5 SS and AF.
Altough we could debate the meaning of "huge" since for some people it could be 30 points of damage and for others over 600.
I never tried to pass on the idea that I believe AF is always better than SS and that there is no purpose in meriting it. Just that when you are looking for a compromise (which implies it will be an inferior choice) then AF could be that compromise in certain circumstances, allowing you to spend merit points in other WS you may like more or find more useful for the jobs you play more often.

Your idea of compromise seems misguided, you're already only putting a single merit into shijin which is an investment hardly worth noting and impossible not to justify.

Like I said, if you spend your entire playtime doing obsolete content with shitty job combos then by all means, use combo cause nobody will care. For any time where you are part of an alliance, receiving adequate buffs then shijin is worth having. Also bear in mind that in 1 week shijin will be winning by a larger margin more of the time so dishing out advice thats going to be out of date in such a short time frame is pretty pointless.

You would have to have a huge job spread that you all play more than mnk to not justify a single merit in shijin, which isn't really realistic giving the advantages MNK has been recognised for since delve was added.

[Sechs]

use combo cause nobody will care

I see your point of view and I think I can understand it. It does make sense. But if someone discuss about it then appearently he or she does care. If someone else does not he can just avoid replying, no?

For any time where you are part of an alliance, receiving adequate buffs then shijin is worth having.

It totally is, but then again I never implied it isn't.
I just argued your (was it you, actually?) defining Shijin Spiral unavoidable even at 1/5 even if you don't play MNK much.
Given the conditions I mentioned before, Shijin doesn't seem so "unavoidable" to me, which is something I could totally say for other jobs and their respective non-merit options.
This is different from saying that it's not "worth" having Shijin, I totally think it is (as a matter of fact, I do have it! )

Also bear in mind that in 1 week shijin will be winning by a larger margin

Oh? I apologize about that.
I clearly missed something.
What's changing, other than weapons getting their damage down but getting +h2h skill?
The fact that only the weapon base damage (and not the one you get from H2H skill) is used for Weapon Skill damage calculations?

giving the advantages MNK has been recognised for since delve was added.

This is a pretty valid point, indeed.
But then again some people play the jobs they like, rather then those who are more "efficient" or "sought over".
Altough I guess tipically those kind of people are not in a LS, don't read BG and we could reiterate your "nobody cares about you" answer that you used a couple of times before which, once more, would be particularly fitting.

[Fake]

The fact that you will be getting 160~ or 220~ attack/accuracy boost leaving you capped or far closer to cap. There is enough WS merits in available to tickle your fancy as far as favorite jobs while still being able to put a single merit in shijin. If you want to argue unquantifiable things like how much an individual cares about mnk then theres not really any point even debating since logic is out the window.

I'm saying shijin is unavoidable if you do current endgame content with other people and don't want to be a fucking gimp. If you want to argue that you don't need it to solo on /dnc I'd go a step further and say you don't need any gear to do that. You arguement has to have some foundation on which to build.

[Sechs]

while still being able to put a single merit in shijin.

Fair point.

I'm saying shijin is unavoidable if you do current endgame content with other people and don't want to be a fucking gimp. If you want to argue that

I definitely do not want to argue that, please accept my apologies.

You arguement has to have some foundation on which to build.

It had foundation and, I dare to say, was decently built upon that.
It was just based on an widely uninteresting and specific perspective.

[Dominico]

How much STP do you need on SAM to 5-hit a 420 delay GKT (assuming you have 5/5 STP merits)? For both TP and WS.

[Taim Meich]

Considering buying an atinian staff before the update next week because I'm afraid they are going to spike horrendously in price. My only concern is SE changing the stats before implementation and then I'm stuck with a sub-par 7m Gil paper weight. What are others thinking? Is this going to spike in price for a long time or will many players be happy enough with augmented soothsayer or their 15 inventory slots of Magian staves?

I think it will spike, and that's why I bought mine two days ago. Prices have risen, if only by 500k, since I bought it, and while I definitely foresee many more Tojil kills after the update, I also predict a much higher demand on a 180 magic accuracy staff. I may be wrong (I have been so many times in situations like this...) but I think that, at least initially, Atinian is going to get a noticeable price increase.

[Zadimortis]

I'm slightly more than a casual player (I play ~3-4 hours during the workweek and maybe ~6-8 combined hours on the weekends), but I've been playing for what feels like forever and WHM and BRD are my two favourite/best jobs. I feel like I've hit something of a wall with my Bard progression, because my gear is at an acceptable level without clinch, superdifficult pieces that take more effort to get than they're worth for me, e.g. Iaso hat for cures, Defending Ring for idle, etc., and when asking people about my performance at the end of events I'm in I'm always told that I did very well and the only way I could really improve is to get a relic/empy instrument. But because of my work/rehearsal schedule I don't have any consistent hours I can play during the week or weekend, even though I can generally find time to squeeze in several hours in each, I can't really say when.

Which leads to this: How feasible is it, both in efficiency and value of time spent, would it be to solo a Gjallarhorn or Daurdabla given my schedule? I don't have any Relics/Empyreans made thus far, mostly because up until now I've been trying to catch up with the waves of oncoming new content, though I do have a Brunello (which I'm glad to see won't have been a complete waste of time in coming updates...), and as far as solo jobs go I have BLU, NIN, and SMN 99 along with WHM and BRD (also got WAR and SCH but I doubt they'll be useful here).

Thoughts? Is it even possible to solo a Gjallarhorn/Daurdabla? (Gjallarhorn yes, obviously, but I'm not one for massive wealth so I'd be farming basically all of it.) Any POV's from people who have soloed a relic/empyrean would be greatly appreciated.