Pope Benedict XVI resigns. Kuya wonders why the catholic church selected a conservative pope

[Ksandra]

At this point they might as well delete the part about not judging others because lots of religious people don't seem to give a crap about that.

Kinda brings back to why I posted the article. I think there are way too many Catholics out there that need reminding.

[Plow]

Catholicism is pretty adamant about not judging, and leaving up to God who goes to heaven, hell, and purgatory.

This is not exactly some crazy radical idea that I just made up and goes against the catechism.

Telling people we need to stop judging and that considering Jesus saved all, not just Christians (which is part of the Catholic belief) therefore we can't assume, isn't by far a new idea. Nor is it just an idea for "catholics that don't really follow catholicism"

Sure.

That doesn't mean your impression of purgatory has anything whatsoever to do with the church's definition.

[Ksandra]

Plow trying really hard to win that Plow of the Year award.

[AidenCarby]

You obviously haven't ventured into the MMA thread then.

[Plow]

Plow trying really hard to win that Plow of the Year award.

says the clinically retarded person trying to claim that catholic purgatory is some place where you go try to convince undecided god you're worthy

[Plow]

encyclopedia brittanica:

purgatory, the condition, process, or place of purification or temporary punishment in which, according to medieval Christian and Roman Catholic belief, the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for heaven

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9061946/purgatory

chick that writes books helping morons understand what they already believe in without knowing shit about it (yeap, looking at you), such as these
http://www.amazon.com/Can-Confess-E-.../dp/0818913126
http://www.amazon.com/Catholicism-No...dp/1592761526/

If Gabby Gossip dies one hour from now and is not in a state of grace, then Gabby Gossip will be in hell in exactly one hour.

On the other hand, if Persevering Pamela dies in a state of grace, with no mortal sin on her soul, she will spend eternity in paradise. Going straight to heaven is possible, but as Pamela correctly expects that she will first have to stop through purgatory to have her soul cleansed of any remaining attachment to earthly desires. Purgatory is no party.

http://stillcatholic.com/CATHPurg.htm



again, you're retarded

again, purgatory is not some place for people god hasn't decided on to convince him they're cool, and no again but human judgment has absolutely nothing to do with it in any way, shape, or form, and you're on crack if you somehow got that from anything I've said


catholic purgatory is an extension of original sin, i.e. the idea that people are all shit no matter what and must constantly be punished and "cleansed" to be redeemed of being human so they can go to heaven



If you want to believe differently, more power to you, and hell your belief on the subject is at least more reasonable than the catholic church's. But if there's one thing you should know by now, it's that reasonable interpretations have absolutely no place in the church.

[Plow]

it's quite literally like God going "oh you think those highly sensitive nerve endings all over your vagina are good?" then sticking a dildo made of molten lava that jizzes flame up there and going "HOW BOUT NOW BITCH"


which of course is completely necessary because we can't have people in heaven that miss their vaginas

[Ksandra]

The best part was plow not quoting the catechism.

Second place is him not understanding what I wrote.

[Ksandra]

You obviously haven't ventured into the MMA thread then.

He plowing hard in there, too?

[Plow]

The best part was plow not quoting the catechism.

Second place is him not understanding what I wrote.

your first post could be construed as somewhat remotely accurate (not really as it's not described as some place you go do shit to become ready, it's a place where you get punished until you've had enough punishment to be ready)...

but your statement of "sounds like those people don't know about purgatory" implies you're viewing it as some place where you might go to heaven if you're cool, or you might not

if they're saying you cannot be redeemed without accepting the catholic church, they're saying you're not getting the "privilege" of going to purgatory

[Drex]

The best part is people taking catholicism seriously

[archibaldcrane]

Plow, no.

Bad plow bad.

[archibaldcrane]

Also i hate myself for supposedly siding with Ksandra.

That's how Plow Plow is.

[Plow]

don't worry, the intelligence of those 2 posts is right on par for siding with ksandra

[Waraji]

http://www.examiner.com/article/vati...-going-to-hell

The Vatican issued an “explanatory note on the meaning of “salvation,” on Thursday, May 23, after media reports circulated indicating that Pope Francis” promised heaven for everyone engaged in good works, including atheists.

In response to the media attention, the Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, said that people who know about the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”

(Translation: Atheists are going to Hell if they don’t accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.)

Rosica also said that Francis had “no intention of provoking a theological debate on the nature of salvation,” during his homily on Wednesday.

The current theological confusion began after the leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics made comments during the homily of his morning Mass on Wednesday, May 22, indicating that atheists would enjoy the fruits of eternal salvation if they were good people. Francis said:

The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!

We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.

TL:DR - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... we're still the Catholic Church. So much for Francis, he and his merry men can go fk'emselves.

[Ksandra]

but your statement of "sounds like those people don't know about purgatory" implies you're viewing it as some place where you might go to heaven if you're cool, or you might not

Pretty sure it implies people jumping up and down saying WE'RE ALL GOING TO HEAVEN and WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL, without the talks of purgatory coming into the conversation at all in any of the news articles.

[Plow]

http://www.examiner.com/article/vati...-going-to-hell



TL:DR - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... we're still the Catholic Church. So much for Francis, he and his merry men can go fk'emselves.

thanks val

Pretty sure it implies people jumping up and down saying WE'RE ALL GOING TO HEAVEN and WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL, without the talks of purgatory coming into the conversation at all in any of the news articles.

that would be because purgatory has absolutely nothing to do with it


unless of course you're turning purgatory into some place where people go before they're judged to improve their chances

[Plow]

it's almost as if having the mental capacity of a golden retriever would make these connections clear

[Ksandra]

that would be because purgatory has absolutely nothing to do with it

maybe.

[edit] to try and help plow be a little less plow. Since the article started a WHOLE CONVERSATION (not bg specific) on whether or not there is a different outlook to look at about atheists, then it stands to reason that news report should have thrown it in with the mess of "where is the pope saying we're going?"



I'd also like the point out it is a very very viable topic as the church has already noted that under certain circumstances non-believers can get to purgatory/heaven. ie. babies who die before getting to know anything about God.

[Plow]

purgatory doesn't change whether you're going to heaven or hell, therefore it has no bearing on the question of if you're going to heaven or hell


this is not a difficult concept, no matter how badly you want to win an internet argument with plow