Need help with a logo, willing to pay.

[archibaldcrane]

@OP, Ryko's girl Sera did the signage for the bar menus for my wedding and did a good job, went through multiple drafts, etc. - may want to hit her up.

[Kazen]

Not even that, you can get quality work for free even as long as you have communication. That's the only thing I was trying to stress.

[Ksandra]

Kazen, my husband is in the art field as well, and many of his co-workers do side jobs just like this because there are busy periods and lull periods of work. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if his wife likes a design she likes the design.

There is nothing wrong going to a design company, there is nothing wrong going to freelancers. Both want the work if they do the job, it doesn't matter that one actually has a job at a company and another doesn't. People shouldn't be pigeon-holed that way. Design companies do NOT have a monopoly on talent.

[Kazen]

This will be my last post on this. This is what I was trying to get at with my first reply to you.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if his wife likes a design she likes the design.

Liking the design and the design doing its intended purpose are completely different. Generally people incorporate design and a branding to generate more business. A design should not be aesthetic alone but it should also provide value to the business. I would like to point out this as well...

Design companies do NOT have a monopoly on talent

No where did I ever say this. This is you putting words into my mouth.

I did however say this.

Obviously Zigma can have all of these things without actually going to a design company/shop/etc, however, this will give him more information he can use when speaking with any designer. This will both make his job, and the designers job easier and provide better work. He'll be able to know the exact colors the designer will be working with, even moreso if he and his wife picks them out. They'll be able to decide on a font style that they feel works with their business. I have no idea how their business looks, the furnishings they have, etc. Do they want to go with a more modern looking logo? Possibly something more traditional? It's something to think about and it gives them options to work with so if in the future his wife wants business cards for example they will actually be able to use the logo they're paying for now rather than paying for yet another new logo to be designed.

I've had to rebuild someones logo from the ground up multiple times because the fonts used and colors used on multiple designed aspects didn't match each other and didn't work well together.

I think you should leave the artist field to your husband in all honesty. I say this being as least offensive as possible because second hand input isn't really as good as first hand. I'm hoping that Zigma will be more ready to work with freelancers now and find one that will communicate and help him.

[Gokku]

This will be my last post on this. This is what I was trying to get at with my first reply to you.



Liking the design and the design doing its intended purpose are completely different. Generally people incorporate design and a branding to generate more business. A design should not be aesthetic alone but it should also provide value to the business. I would like to point out this as well...



No where did I ever say this. This is you putting words into my mouth.

I did however say this.



I think you should leave the artist field to your husband in all honesty. I say this being as least offensive as possible because second hand input isn't really as good as first hand. I'm hoping that Zigma will be more ready to work with freelancers now and find one that will communicate and help him.

the communication side of things is why i had Zigma, send me his contact info ,ive already forwarded it to my friend told her to contact him mention me etc.

[Ksandra]

Liking the design and the design doing its intended purpose are completely different. Generally people incorporate design and a branding to generate more business. A design should not be aesthetic alone but it should also provide value to the business. I would like to point out this as well...

Of course it is. Crowdsourcing and liking a design that is effective is not mutually exclusive.

Basically, none of what you said proves:

Crowd-sourcing is terrible. You end up getting sub-par work and people will do a job that is acceptable but not good. Generally you get ripped off because something you may view as good in actuality is not from a design standpoint.

to be true. You are stereotyping people into making it sound like the only ones that do it aren't any good and that it's a rip off. I would imagine that if his wife is actually running a business she may, surprisingly, know what it takes to have a good business.


I wouldn't have responded if you had came in and said "looked at crowdsourcing with a critical eye, and don't take the first one that jumps at you." Or something along those lines. I take issue with you saying it's terrible and a rip off.

Also lol @ leave it to my husband. Because since we're married we must not talk to each other (aka he laughed at the haters in this thread).

[Churchill]

stop having terrible fat sex then

[Kazen]

Gokku that's great! Hopefully Zigma will get something pretty awesome because of it. I remember him from Bahamut and he was always a pretty nice guy so I hope he gets something that is well designed. I realize I'm being critical but it's required because talking to a significant other is not actual experience. I'm used to being harsh and critical on topics like this because it's my job while I'm at work so I apologize if I offended someone. I just get annoyed when I see certain responses that can hinder something from being effective.

[Ksandra]

I just get annoyed when I see certain responses that can hinder something from being effective.

I'm not offended, just think you are misguided by acting holier than everyone else.

[quannum]

crowd-sourcing is the way forward for everything.

[Kazen]

I'm not offended, just think you are misguided by acting holier than everyone else.

I'm sorry for giving first hand advise as opposed to second hand advise? You should already know how touchy a topic crowd-sourcing as well as WFH already is in the artist world. I'm sure your husband knows a lot about how detrimental it can be. Whenever possible I do try to get people to understand how bad it can be in -most- situations and give them information they can use to avoid the most common issues that people run into when crowd sourcing. It's nothing about being "holier than everyone else" because I never claimed to be so nor am I.

[Ksandra]

I'm sorry for giving first hand advise as opposed to second hand advise?

No...let's try this again:

I wouldn't have responded if you had came in and said "looked at crowdsourcing with a critical eye, and don't take the first one that jumps at you." Or something along those lines. I take issue with you saying it's terrible and a rip off.

[Sera]

"Liking" a design isn't really the entire point of a logo. Brand design is complex and requires a working knowledge of not just what "looks nice" but also what is appealing to a consumer. A "person in the art field" may or may not have a handle on the latter concept.

In other words, being an artist doesn't mean you know what will catch a consumer's eye and make them want to spend their money.

Also, taking advantage of someone who is attempting to build a portfolio by suggesting that they should just be happy to use you as a way to build it (using that as justification for not paying them what their hard work was worth) is a dick move. People who say shit like this deserve a punch in the face. Designers in NYC *start* at $75-80 an hour. If they made you something, and you like what they made, keep that in mind. Clearly their lack of formal experience didn't prevent them from making something you loved & wanted to use. Why should it prevent you from paying them a little something? It doesn't have to be $80 an hour, but c'mon, son.

A fledgling designer might not say anything in an attempt to be nice, but presenting an arrangement like this to a designer or an artist is insulting. Give em some cash. Let them know how much you really appreciate their work.

In any event, I'd be happy to play around with some stuff for you if you like, but my plate is very full at the moment and I have a few freelance design projects ahead of you in line -- so it might be a while. I'm based in NYC though. I do not check BG much anymore, so the fastest way to contact me is probably to tell Ryko.

[iitrueii]

A brand identity is just that, an identity.

You are creating a image of what customers, the target market see when they see the company.

Yes they are expensive if you want it done right. But if you have it done wrong there is no point having one at all as a bad identity is forgettable.

Imagen if some random designer did it in comic sans with some pretty picture what makes no sense to the company. The only company what gets away witht hat is poundland because it fits there target market.

[tyven]

MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN APPLE WITH A BITE MISSING

[miokomioko]

Crowdsourcing is a terrible system that allows businesses to completely rip off the commercial art industry by consistently devaluing illustration and design work. The monetary rewards for being chosen on sites like crowdspring for large, legitimate businesses are complete fucking jokes. I hate linking catchy little video explanations, but whatever.



http://antispec.com/

[Intervention]

Feels like you guys are making a bigger deal than it really is. This is for, what it sounds like, a small business, not for some huge mega corp. I'm sure a lot of you are very talented artists and you want to be paid for your skills. If 50 bucks is too low for your time, then ignore it and let someone willing to do it get paid. Either that if you feel that you do want to do it, just do $50 worth of work.

[Skjie]

How would crowd-sourcing be ruining the industry? If your product is superior then you will get the contracts.

[archibaldcrane]

Professional artists don't like their game getting blown up by the millions of people with artistic talent but little drive to actually make a go of it.

[archibaldcrane]

But being as that may be, Crowdspring costs a minimum of $269 for a logo, and this dude is paying $50.

So I wouldn't worry about crowdsourcing.