Xbox Done Discussion - 2016's #1 Master Race Bottom Bitch

[Correction]

Supporting a middleman like GameStop, as opposed to the creators, is ultimately bad for consumers. Sure you save a few bucks, but in the long run, it leads to fewer new IPs and more rehashes of proven entities, or worse, they shift their focus to mobile gaming & apps for a better ROI.

On what basis do you assert this?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaud...nd-pre-orders/

“Both Sony and Microsoft have said games can be resold and that’s exactly what we anticipated,” said [GameStop President] Bartel, who added that GameStop puts $1 billion in trade into the market and 70% of that money goes back into new game sales. “It’s a recognized way to make these games more affordable. All three new platforms understand that.”

It looks like gamers are still buying new games, and despite the doom and gloom of the recent earnings call the bad news has been spiraling costs not depressed sales. What the publishers and platform owners want you to believe is that piracy and used game sales contribute to industry stagnation i.e. it's the customer's fault games are so derivative and expensive, when the current cost structure and development tempo is the leading contributor to their costs and entirely of their own creation.

[Callisto]

None of them want to admit that making 30 different QTE Michael Bay movies per year isn't actually a good business model, blame it on the customers who only buy 27 of them.

[Moridam]

I stopped paying attention to them years ago, and so forgot how hard those dudes shill for Microsoft. Good to see they're consistent, at least. Penny Arcade has an article up explaining how totally awesome it's going to be when Xbone kills off the secondhand market:

http://penny-arcade.com/report/artic...t-could-be-the

It's so detached from reality I'd find it humorous, if not for the fact that PA has such a huge base of fans that will unquestioningly buy anything they're selling.

[Cjskater]

I stopped paying attention to them years ago, and so forgot how hard those dudes shill for Microsoft. Good to see they're consistent, at least. Penny Arcade has an article up explaining how totally awesome it's going to be when Xbone kills off the secondhand market:

http://penny-arcade.com/report/artic...t-could-be-the

It's so detached from reality I'd find it humorous, if not for the fact that PA has such a huge base of fans that will unquestioningly buy anything they're selling.

I skipped to the end and skimmed a bit...
"it phones home all the time so piracy wont be a problem"
It's like they understand nothing about piracy. If it has a check for it, you best believe pirates will disable it. Ubisoft did the same thing then realized "oh, wait, we're retarded that would've never worked anyway."

[vrumpt]

Didn't Microsoft have 1~2 moderately successful conferences (even if we go back to the original Xbox)?

I remember their one conference the year before kinect came out was pretty badass, the one where they actually announced Kinect. They were shittin on motion controls and how it was gonna be better than "that waggle crap" or w/e. Then the next year came and all they had to show for all their smack talk was kinectimals and that Star Wars game. That was the moment Microsoft started to fall.

[Mazmaz]

I didn't know Penny Arcade were such dumb pieces of shit

"Guys this'll be great! Microsoft and developers are gonna see that they're making more profits because the used game market isn't sapping their sales anymore, so they're gonna lower their prices and give up that extra profit!"

[Moridam]

I can never decide if the writer is really dumb and ignorant enough to believe what he's saying, or if he's really just deeply cynical and knows exactly what he's doing and doesn't care at all.

[Pharaun]

That was one of the most retarded things that I have ever read...

[Callisto]

I lost it at the MS rep being named Matt Booty

[Moridam]

I lost it at the MS rep being named Matt Booty

holy shit lol, i completely missed that the first time around. amazing

[TacoTaru]

I usually like what goes up on the PAR, but that article was ridiculous. His twitter feed hasn't been much better. There was a gem about "internet infrastructure is going to get better so it's fine."

I was going to find it, but some of the stuff he's tweeted in the last hour or so is just a head desk worthy. https://twitter.com/BenKuchera
Again, I usually like the guy, but I'm not sure wtf he's on to think what he's typing.

[Charismatic]

I usually like what goes up on the PAR, but that article was ridiculous. His twitter feed hasn't been much better. There was a gem about "internet infrastructure is going to get better so it's fine."

I was going to find it, but some of the stuff he's tweeted in the last hour or so is just a head desk worthy. https://twitter.com/BenKuchera
Again, I usually like the guy, but I'm not sure wtf he's on to think what he's typing.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...5&postcount=11

[Ratatapa]

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[Callisto]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...5&postcount=11

idk, maybe I'm in the minority, or white suburban male privilege or whatever, but I agree with him. I know money isn't always the only factor, but I can't imagine that at this point in time there are massive amounts of people who don't have internet access but have enough disposable income that a $500 console and several $60 games is a reasonable idea.

[Amiricle]

A comment like that practically confirms what this vid from the escapist thinks their target demographic is.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...One-out-of-Ten

Also I really don't see how they think they can compete with Nintendo with thinking like that.

[Charismatic]

idk, maybe I'm in the minority, or white suburban male privilege or whatever, but I agree with him. I know money isn't always the only factor, but I can't imagine that at this point in time there are massive amounts of people who don't have internet access but have enough disposable income that a $500 console and several $60 games is a reasonable idea.

You've never heard of presents, have you? Yes, white suburban male privilege is just another phrase that simply means short-sightedness... you have it.
Now I want you to go ahead and pretend that a significant number of consoles aren't given away to people as presents every year so that you can continue this stupid argument and I can strike it down from other angles too.

[Callisto]

You've never heard of presents, have you? Yes, white suburban male privilege is just another phrase that simply means short-sightedness... you have it.

Yeah, that's fair. I know it's not necessarily a correct opinion, just one I can understand; I personally don't think I know anyone who can't connect to at least a neighbor's wireless for a short amount of time once every 24 hours. That said, I don't live out in country, or in the inner city, so I don't really have a bearing on how high those numbers actually are.

Edit: As per your add, absolutely you're right that tons are given away as presents, the question would be how many are given to people with absolutely no internet access; or rather just in general, how many people overall don't have access. I'd google the stats since I'm curious but I'm driving lol

[Deader2818]

What happens when "next gen" becomes "this gen" and its more affordable to get but still can't afford the cost of new games/good internet connection.

[Correction]

idk, maybe I'm in the minority, or white suburban male privilege or whatever, but I agree with him. I know money isn't always the only factor, but I can't imagine that at this point in time there are massive amounts of people who don't have internet access but have enough disposable income that a $500 console and several $60 games is a reasonable idea.

Console prices drop, but if individual SKUs on games never do, and in a world with no used games there is no incentive for that to happen, the cost of gaming in general is due to rise. Ben wrote this with a straight face:

Without the used market sucking up all those sales and all that consumer money, it's very possible we'll see Steam-style sales on older or bundled games on the Xbox One. It's not a sure thing, but killing used games is going to free up a ton of money for companies to try new ideas in terms of sales and pricing.

Used games do not suck up consumer money, they sell games to users who would never have bought it at full MSRP, ever.
Steam-style sales already happen, but at the retail level as they clear out old stock. PSN only gives its best sales to people who pay a monthly subscription fee, so these are already not the people who buy used games in order to save money. Microsoft is killing points, so there ends the old days of them selling $50 worth of points for $35. Ben is completely pulling it out of his ass when he claims MS will have all this free floating capital around to take the hit on steam-style sales; It's 100% without historical precedent.

[BadKarma]

Hence why I love steam sales