Windower 4 - Discussion and Support

[dlsmd]

I've never used dressup, I thought it was a lua replacement Cairbear created for PlasticSurgeon? I.e. an addon that allows you to change your appearance client-side?
How does it emulate BMN functions?
The way I used BMN was very simple, I was enabling "no blinking" for everybody in party or alliance, wether we were in combat or not.
People outside of alliance were still blinking and I myself was still blinking.
Can dressup do something like this?

dressup is the replacement for both BlinkMeNot and PlasticSurgeon
it also supports the bmn commands so as long as you know them your all right
and the command will give to all the info you need
//du help

[RalphTheDwarf]

I did a fresh installation of my operating system recently, and now every time I want to edit a gearswap file I have to run Notepad++ in Administrator mode which is a pain (something about Windows not liking people messing with files in Program Files directories). I never encountered this problem in the past because I ran everything FFXI related from a mechanical hard drive in a custom directory. I was thinking of moving Windower to another directory, what's the best way to do so? Uninstall Windower, reinstall to a different path? Or can I just copypasta from where it is to another place without breaking it? Or is there a way to put scripts and gearswap stuff to another directory without moving Windower?

[dlsmd]

I did a fresh installation of my operating system recently, and now every time I want to edit a gearswap file I have to run Notepad++ in Administrator mode which is a pain (something about Windows not liking people messing with files in Program Files directories). I never encountered this problem in the past because I ran everything FFXI related from a mechanical hard drive in a custom directory. I was thinking of moving Windower to another directory, what's the best way to do so? Uninstall Windower, reinstall to a different path? Or can I just copypasta from where it is to another place without breaking it? Or is there a way to put scripts and gearswap stuff to another directory without moving Windower?

you do not have ownership of the directory
at lest that the only thing i can think of
but if your using a ssd that could be the cause because ssd's have a write limit but unlimited read and once you hit that mark you can never write to that disk sector again
it could be that because its an ssd windows is minimizing how many times you can writ to it what i would do is install windower to a regular hdd then you should be able to edit data all you want

how ever if this is on win10 i could be wrong

[geno3302]

Why is tor r. Ents. A restricted word?

[Trumpy]

Hmm I hope they never depreciate light luggage. Problem with some addons I seem to come across when I am dual boxing is how they constantly save to their settings file. it can make it difficult to have different settings for different characters.

For example this last week I was having an issue with pointwatch (timers also was doin this so i just decided to not load timers on the mule). If I play with both characters at all the same settings its ok but when there are differences it can cause probs. I been tryin with my mule at a lower resolution cause my current pc sucks (in an effort to improve performance). so that means i have to have pointwatch at a different location for him than my main. It seems ok if i alter the settings file outside of the game barring I know where the pos should be for it, and then login. but if im in game tweaking it (or even unload both, alter the settings, and reload them), it kept resetting all the settings on my opposite character to default. I dont understand why the addon wont just alter the specific thing in the settings, but instead decides to remove the <oppositecharacter> table all together. sometimes it removes one and makes it the global which is fine but when ever it does that it rewrites the non <global> it didnt erase to all default values instead of just leaving them alone.

I kinda wish the addons would only save to the settings file when something is altered in game from commands. But it seems to save on load, on unload, whenever a change is made thru ingame commands. you can tell by opening the settings file in something like notepad+ and then doin any of the above, saving loading or commands, when you go back to notepad it asks you to reload it because its been changed (even if nothing has actually changed) So back to my point, i experimented with Treasury before and it would do this same thing. it would alter/delete the <charactername> tag at times. I would want this to pass a ton of items and i cant have the potential of it erasing that everytime. keep in mind this is when dual boxing.

Or maybe can just make the settings files work how gearswaps job luas work. where you can have Character1_MNK.lua and Character2_MNK.lua but instead have them be CharacterName_settings.xml

PS randomly my mule's zonetimer addon will move to the center top instead of at (0,0). I dont know why it does this cause i dont mess with that ones settings file ever.

[dlsmd]

Hmm I hope they never depreciate light luggage. Problem with some addons I seem to come across when I am dual boxing is how they constantly save to their settings file. it can make it difficult to have different settings for different characters.

For example this last week I was having an issue with pointwatch (timers also was doin this so i just decided to not load timers on the mule). If I play with both characters at all the same settings its ok but when there are differences it can cause probs. I been tryin with my mule at a lower resolution cause my current pc sucks (in an effort to improve performance). so that means i have to have pointwatch at a different location for him than my main. It seems ok if i alter the settings file outside of the game barring I know where the pos should be for it, and then login. but if im in game tweaking it (or even unload both, alter the settings, and reload them), it kept resetting all the settings on my opposite character to default. I dont understand why the addon wont just alter the specific thing in the settings, but instead decides to remove the <oppositecharacter> table all together. sometimes it removes one and makes it the global which is fine but when ever it does that it rewrites the non <global> it didnt erase to all default values instead of just leaving them alone.

I kinda wish the addons would only save to the settings file when something is altered in game from commands. But it seems to save on load, on unload, whenever a change is made thru ingame commands. you can tell by opening the settings file in something like notepad+ and then doin any of the above, saving loading or commands, when you go back to notepad it asks you to reload it because its been changed (even if nothing has actually changed) So back to my point, i experimented with Treasury before and it would do this same thing. it would alter/delete the <charactername> tag at times. I would want this to pass a ton of items and i cant have the potential of it erasing that everytime. keep in mind this is when dual boxing.

Or maybe can just make the settings files work how gearswaps job luas work. where you can have Character1_MNK.lua and Character2_MNK.lua but instead have them be CharacterName_settings.xml

PS randomly my mule's zonetimer addon will move to the center top instead of at (0,0). I dont know why it does this cause i dont mess with that ones settings file ever.

LightLuggage

• Replaced by Treasury (addon)

so it will work till it does not work

and all addons(official ones anyways) can save setting by player name
if you look at the settings file

<?xml version="1.1" ?>
<settings>
         <global>
                 --global settings(these settings are used when no player settings exist for player_name)
         </global>
         <player_name>
                 --settings for specific player_name
         </player_name>
</settings>

[Trumpy]

I think you missed the whole point of my post. I checked the depreciated link given earlier and noticed lightlugguage. that is why im sayin please keep this around. Mostly due to the fact of what I explained above and will explain again below. Treasury like most addons doesnt seem to play well with different characters having different settings. When I played with it before it would often completely delete my mules section (or my mains section), or erase parts of it. Not to mention having to retype every single item back in (could be like a hundred items) with the possibility of it being deleted because of dual boxing and the way addons save themselves.

I know they save settings per character (like you mentioned, I even sited a <oppositecharacter> example). the problem is the addons will save the settings file (when loaded, unloaded, and altered via in game commands) When this happens when dual boxing, it can cause issues if you want different settings per character.

Lets say you have two characters (online at same time on same PC, you know, dual boxing, both with the same addons loaded). one named Guy and one named Dude. sometimes if you are on Guy's window and type //addon pos 500 500. It will change it on Guy's window. Now if you were to open up the settings file you would see it also altered things in <Dude>'s settings or deleted them all together. Sometimes it would Apply all of the settings under <Dude> to the <Global>. And sometimes it will change <Dude>'s settings to be default instead of specific settings. Like Pointwatch for example: Say I dont want the text to be white. So i change it to be orange on both characters. This is easy. So last week i decide to try and play at different resolutions and I like to keep Pointwatch under the chat log. So that means they both will have different <pos>. So I alter JUST the <pos> and reload and now one characters text is the default white instead of orange. So i go and change just the FONT and the position changes. or something else and its like WTF are you changing stuff im not altering? now for the most part like i mentioned above if I know the pos i want and the colors and such and I put that all in the settings file and then launch the game it tends to keep everyones settings the same and where i want them (except occasionally it will move things around.) But if i load them both manually right after each other when I am in game it often changes settings or even deletes the <Dude> section. Ive tried having my main character as the global settings and ive tried makin his own <MainCharacter> section and both never work. And its not something you can repeat exactly. it seems to happen randomly (but often). Last week I would change the font color and it would alter my x pos like 1 or 2 to the left or right for no reason.

[dlsmd]

sorry i misunderstood what you meant
if thats happening then someone needs to let the devs know whats going on
as i do not dual box i never noticed that happening

[Shenrien]

K so I swapped over to dressup, learned how to make it function like bmn, went afk and came back to my screen flooded with this after playing for about 5hrs with it on.

http://puu.sh/kunhL/fc6b4d7cae.jpg

idk what caused it

[Trumpy]

I have mentioned it before in here previously, but was told something like "addons dont save like that" something (or like "we didnt program it like that," doesnt mean it cant happen, but honestly I cant remember the exact reason given) that was completely not in line with what I can see and prove on my PC. I mean any change to the addon (loading, unloading or altering via in game command) will save the settings file (even if there is no difference other than "last time modified" and if still opened in a program like notepad++ will ask you to reload cause it has been changed. Or its like occasionally it cant tell there are 2 characters using it at the same time and will save to the file as if the second doesnt exist (thus deleting the second characters settings)

I usually just give up and try to keep all settings the same between my characters or only use the addon/plugin on one of them. but if they depreciate lightluggage for treasury in its current format I will be forced to deal with it. I will prolly play around with treasury and see if anything has changed since i tried it months and months ago. but since the items to lot/pass are basically like settings I suspect it will have the same issues. So like i suggested, if its even possible, similiar to how gearswap can load a lua per specific character_job it would be awesome if the list of items to pass/lot could be done in separate files. then you wouldnt have to worry about it deleting one characters entire list of loot to pass/lot.

[Arcon]

K so I swapped over to dressup, learned how to make it function like bmn, went afk and came back to my screen flooded with this after playing for about 5hrs with it on.

http://puu.sh/kunhL/fc6b4d7cae.jpg

idk what caused it

This is kind of a funny error. There are people who have some character names for which DressUp won't work, and it seems you found one of them. They have a name like one of our Lua table functions (like "sort", "contains", "concat", etc.), so it thinks that you're trying to look up a function instead of the settings for a certain character.

I will fix this later tonight.

[Arcon]

I have mentioned it before in here previously, but was told something like "addons dont save like that" something (or like "we didnt program it like that," doesnt mean it cant happen, but honestly I cant remember the exact reason given) that was completely not in line with what I can see and prove on my PC.

I believe that was me. What I meant is not that it wasn't programmed like that, but that I didn't program it like that. Whoever wrote that part of the addon might have.

As a general guideline addons should only ever save settings when something in the settings actually changes, never on unload, sometimes on load (like if settings are missing from the settings file it should re-add them). But save on load should never cause an issue if used right. Addons should also save settings per user by default. I'm aware that not all addons conform to this yet, and they never might, because people stop maintaining them at some point. But don't worry, we won't deprecate LL anytime soon, since Treasury does not match its feature set yet. And for the record, Treasury does the settings game right

[Trumpy]

I will try it again soon. when I was messing with it before I was farming sea organs to eventually make those all element obis/gorgets and so when one character didnt need this organ i put it on the pass and when this character needed this organ i put it on lot. and like i was mentioning it would occasionally delete one characters list or remove things or some other damn annoying thing. This was a while back tho and of course im on XP pc so it could just be shitty XP messing things somehow. I suppose i could always jsut make a copy of the file so i can jsut copy paste stuff back in when/if it happens just for safety. I think the possibility of having to go thru and add a hundred items to both characters list also makes me unenthused about it. like my main character has no need for any abbyssea seal or +2 item so Id have to pass all those cause i hate having to toss 20 seals i dont need. thats a ton of items to go thru and add (whan i already have it all done with light luggage lol). Well im glad to know LL will be around a while.

[RalphTheDwarf]

I had a problem a few weeks ago where Treasury took the settings for my mule and moved them to global and I have no idea what caused it. Created all sorts of havoc until I manually edited the file. I really miss LL's ability to load up a custom list on the fly depending on what I was doing at the time.

[Cyleena]

K so I swapped over to dressup, learned how to make it function like bmn, went afk and came back to my screen flooded with this after playing for about 5hrs with it on.

http://puu.sh/kunhL/fc6b4d7cae.jpg

idk what caused it

This is kind of a funny error. There are people who have some character names for which DressUp won't work, and it seems you found one of them. They have a name like one of our Lua table functions (like "sort", "contains", "concat", etc.), so it thinks that you're trying to look up a function instead of the settings for a certain character.

I will fix this later tonight.

This error appeared on a alt char tonight as well.

[Arcon]

I had a problem a few weeks ago where Treasury took the settings for my mule and moved them to global and I have no idea what caused it. Created all sorts of havoc until I manually edited the file. I really miss LL's ability to load up a custom list on the fly depending on what I was doing at the time.

This will happen when you do //tr save. This will save the current character's settings globally.

[Trumpy]

Did the thing for GEOs where we can place luopans where we want get fixed so we can do that while using Gearswap?

[Sechs]

Think Byrth said it didn't directly depend on GS/Shortcuts themselves, but on a missing function in the Luacore.

[Byrthnoth]

Arcon took a first stab at it, but it doesn't quite work yet. We haven't gotten back together about it in a few days.

[Trumpy]

Ok was just wondering cause i was exploring around github and found a page that had things added or fixed (i think it was) and one post looked like the geo things. Can you guys mention it here if you guys ever do get it working? You guys are great!