Things You Should Know About Windower v4

[TheDangerousDave]

If it makes my google searches more accurate then I'm all for it :D

[Byrthnoth]

Iryoku explains this here, if anyone is still interested:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36...eta/5/#2253065

[Damane]

One of the best ways to do that, though, is not to dismiss it, but to explain why it isn't a concern, and to do so in layman's English. You may feel that it's a bother, and that it's unimportant, but someone who does not know any better will be scared off by that. They're going to want to read something that reassures them. They'll look for a FAQ, or a help document, or a ReadMe (perhaps not so much that nowadays), or they'll Google about it, wanting to know, "Why does this collect my information?" They won't know what a post or anything of the sort is (well, not in software terms, anyway—maybe they'll think of a wooden post)—they just want someone to pat them on the head and tell them, "it's all right, everything's safe."

It may seem like an unnecessary bit of hand-holding, but it isn't—it's good for one's reputation and their public relations. People complain about data gathering, DRM, and anything else they're exposed to. It's also literally illegal in some parts of the first world to gather such data without the user's consent and understanding.



In other words: some basic data about the user's PC is collected, but nothing that identifies them as an individual. Although the full IP and therefore their entire geographic location data is included, the location data is discarded, as you have no use for it; all that you collect and maintain is a database involving things like OS saturation, and what version of the Launcher they've got. As for the plug-in updating, you scan the DLLs for their version numbers, submit that information in a manifest that then compares against whatever you have on your servers, and subsequently, any newer plug-ins are downloaded to the user's machine.

Have I missed anything, or would that cover it all?

^This because when I saw this Topic all my hairs went straight into alert mode and I still dont know wtf is going on just that I am totaly unsure about windower 4.0

[Ksandra]

Just wanted to point out, that Aureus keeps mentioning us using adsense on BG.

This is stated in our privacy policy. And states exactly what is collected. So stop pretending like we did the same thing (not tell anyone) to .

Outside of that, I couldn't care less since I don't play ffxi anymore. XD

[sfchakan]

ITT: Fearmongering and way too much back and forth. It's been addressed, answered, and everyone pretty much knew from the start that there was nothing devious going on anyway. Why isn't this locked?

[ssjjfar]

Honestly its a 3rd party app for a game filled with many 3rd party apps(a lot less truth worthy than windower). Do people really thing that they released this assuming that no one would check it and find out about google analytic within first 24 hours?

No not everyone is a capable knowledgeable enough to do it, but are you guys really thinking this was suppose to be some hidden secret that they expected no one to find and hide from the world for as long as possible?

[Praenuntiae]

Honestly its a 3rd party app for a game filled with many 3rd party apps(a lot less truth worthy than windower). Do people really thing that they released this assuming that no one would check it and find out about google analytic within first 24 hours?

No not everyone is a capable knowledgeable enough to do it, but are you guys really thinking this was suppose to be some hidden secret that they expected no one to find and hide from the world for as long as possible?

If it wasn't meant to be hidden it would have been disclosed in the beginning (as required by google to use it) not argued about and then fixed.

[dejet]

my only thing here is that, it really is not a big deal. it could of been fixed with a simple line added to the readme file and a "opps slipped our minds our bad"

But we get post after post about how it is not a big deal; your right it was not, till you started to defend yourself on something you guys broke according to googles ToS. You do not have a leg to stand on just suck it up and move on geez. The more its defended the more it sounds like it was to be a hidden as the guy above pointed out.

As for others, windower4 is not even that good yet, and also is in beta... and it really does not collect all that much information that you do not already give up to a billion other people.

[Suteru]

Oh no not my IP address!!! What will I do?! I mean, my computer doesn't just give its IP address automatically to every single site I visit already, because that is not how the internet works at all!!

Shut up with the scaremongering.

[sfchakan]

my only thing here is that, it really is not a big deal. it could of been fixed with a simple line added to the readme file and a "opps slipped our minds our bad"

But we get post after post about how it is not a big deal

The only reason you got post after post about it was because people kept trying to instigate. They fucked up, they fixed it as soon as it was brought to their attention, and people need to get over it.

[Praenuntiae]

The only reason you got post after post about it was because people kept trying to instigate. They fucked up, they fixed it as soon as it was brought to their attention, and people need to get over it.

The only thing "people" were trying to do, is get them to admit "they fucked up" and fix it.

[Byrthnoth]

Okay then, mission accomplished in about 12 hours: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36...eta/5/#2253227

Congrats

[sfchakan]

The only thing "people" were trying to do, is get them to admit "they fucked up" and fix it.

Then explain everything from Page 2 onward, after it was fixed.

[Aureus]

The only thing "people" were trying to do, is get them to admit "they fucked up" and fix it.

Which I did, within like 3 minutes of seeing the post. The next 2 pages were me trying to state that google analytics isn't going to steal your identity and that there's really no cause for concern.

[Praenuntiae]

Which I did, within like 3 minutes of seeing the post. The next 2 pages were me trying to state that google analytics isn't going to steal your identity and that there's really no cause for concern.

Well it's true you did, but that was not when. When it was "fixed" was when the disclosure was added. There is no point in trying to continue being defensive. We have been over this, it doesn't really matter if you think there is a cause for concern or not, the fact of the matter is there was concern. On top of that by not disclosing it you were violating google's Terms of Service. But as has been stated this has been fixed.

[ssjjfar]

If it wasn't meant to be hidden it would have been disclosed in the beginning (as required by google to use it) not argued about and then fixed.

Ok your right, they think everyone is dumb and couldn't figure this out.
They also think no one checks 3rd party apps before installing/using it. I understand now, my point was completely irrelevant. Thanks.

[Praenuntiae]

Ok your right, they think everyone is dumb and couldn't figure this out.
They also think no one checks 3rd party apps before installing/using it. I understand now, my point was completely irrelevant. Thanks.

Could you have figured it out? I know a majority of people couldn't have. As a matter of fact MOST people do not check anything that is viewed as a trusted source. I'm honestly surprised anyone did, I wouldn't have given it a second thought myself despite being able to dig into it. Simply because Windower is a well known and overall trusted *brand*. So yeah basically your point is exactly that "irrelevant"

[sfchakan]

Could you have figured it out? I know a majority of people couldn't have. As a matter of fact MOST people do not check anything that is viewed as a trusted source. I'm honestly surprised anyone did, I wouldn't have given it a second thought myself despite being able to dig into it. Simply because Windower is a well known and overall trusted *brand*. So yeah basically your point is exactly that "irrelevant"

Sure, it should have been in there in the first place, and ultimately probably would have been. You need to realize this is the first public beta release for a non-profit fan project. Get over it, already.

[Praenuntiae]

Sure, it should have been in there in the first place, and ultimately probably would have been. You need to realize this is the first public beta release for a non-profit fan project. Get over it, already.

lol I don't have a problem with it as long as it's disclosed as it now is which I've said multiple times. As for it being done eventually if no one found out? maybe, maybe not but now it is for sure. Ultimately that is all that matters.

[ssjjfar]

Could you have figured it out? I know a majority of people couldn't have. As a matter of fact MOST people do not check anything that is viewed as a trusted source. I'm honestly surprised anyone did, I wouldn't have given it a second thought myself despite being able to dig into it. Simply because Windower is a well known and overall trusted *brand*. So yeah basically your point is exactly that "irrelevant"

If I had bothered to care I still probably couldn't figure it on my own, but you clearly didn't read when I said specifically said not everyone could figure it out. My whole point was that someone would find out, which seeing as we have this thread they did.

Your surprised anyone did? People out there scan and check everything upon new updated releases, for the sake of helping keep the rest of us protected.