Geomancer: Findings and Mechanics *Needs More Handbells!*

[bruice]

Can you use regular sickles or do you have to use the Ex ones? Trying to get my grass now and this sucks >_< For the amount of bayld spent on these things, I would think they would last longer or whatever.

Edit: Well found out you can but does it effect by what you harvest from the two? Haven't read anything on it or see any info on it.

[Azat]

trailblaze sickles is -15% fatigue. Gives you 23/20 attempts, so use them first 3 times when max then switch to normal ones. Aside from that they have the same break rate as the normal sickles.

[Sithel]

I got 13 Akaso's in about 2 hours of harvesting in Yorcia Weald. I used the Agrarian Boots, Critical Slice, Ionis and about 30 ish Trailblazing Sickles. Unless there is a map showing all the harvesting points, I can post the locations I found here in a few.

17 locations I found, and there is probably more. Marked in red, you might have to use this in a dat mod or apradar or whatever to see this blown up.

Map of Yorcia Weald

[Warusha]

What's a rule I can put into spellcast for idle set to change if I have a luopan out?

[Sithel]

What's a rule I can put into spellcast for idle set to change if I have a luopan out?

I use this for the AF hands, if you are looking for that or something similar, this may help.

<if PetIsValid="True">
	<equip when="idle|engaged|resting|precast|midcast|aftercast">
	<hands lock="t">Geomancy Mitaines</hands>					
	</equip>			   
</if>

Here's my GEO xml that I've slowly been working on.
http://pastebin.com/mPZcw5dE

[Malithar]

Never added anything like this before, and clueless on how to figure out +MAB from it, but I've gathered some data on Geo AF head's enhances "Cardinal Chant" and what we're able to gain from Acumen and Malaise with max +skill (16/16 merits, bell, gloves, and cape).

99 Elvaan Geo/Rdm

196 Int, MAB +80 (not counting traits), Magic Damage +151

Mandy in Ceizak

Buffless Stone I w/o Cardinal Chant: 612

Buffless Stone I w/ Cardinal Chant w/o AF head(-19 Int, -15 ele magic skill): 625
Buffless Stone I w/ Cardinal Chant w/ AF head: 662

Acumen Stone I w/o Cardinal Chant: 718
Acumen Stone I w/ Cardinal Chant w/ AF head: 761

Malaise Stone I w/o Cardinal Chant: 704
Malaise Stone I w/ Cardinal Chant w/ AF head: 761

Acumen Malaise Stone I w/o Cardinal Chant: 829
Acumen Malaise Stone I w/ Cardinal Chant w/ AF head: 879

Bolster Acumen Malaise Stone I w/o Cardinal Chant: 975
Bolster Acumen Malaise Stone I w/ Cardinal Chant w/ AF head: 1033
For shits really, could only do once due to JAs,
Bolster Acumen Malaise Thunder IV w/ Cardinal Chant w/ AF head w/ Collimated Fervor w/ Theurgic Focus: 3836

I'm pretty much magic damage dumb anymore. Shit adds damage, Int is good, MAB is good, magic damage is good. :3 If anyone can figure out the +MAB -MDEF numbers at play here, awesome. ^^

Really kinda made the post cause I was wanting to ask how Geo's should go about gearing for magic damage. I'm pretty clueless if Int > MAB, how much MAB = Int, etc. Any help in that regard would be greatly appreciated!

[Slycer]

Where were you standing for Cardinal Chant? Were you standing due west of the monster for MAB+13 (without head)? What do your tests mean when they say "without Cardinal Chant" (since it's a trait)? RDM sub is 24 MAB btw.

FYI, to make the test easier, cast Stone I on any low level target so that you are 100% sure your dINT is capped (caps at +100 on Stone I), then we can ignore the effects of +/- INT from equipping and unequipping the head. It's probably capped already on the mandy, but it's worth being sure. Also, you may want to unequip the magic damage from the staff as that's just going to confuse things.

[Malithar]

W/o chant was standing north of the mob, to avoid the +MAB from it, w/ Chant was standing to the west of the mob. I'll go cast a few spells on Ronfaure stuff and report back on the numbers.

[Malithar]

99 Geo/War

93 Int, 0 MAB, 0 +magic damage
Targets were Wild Rabbits in West Ronfaure.

W/o Chant = standing to the south east of the mob, to avoid being barely off and getting a smidge of +MAB.
W/ Chant = standing to the west of the mob.
Buffs cast with 16/16 merits, bell, cape, and gloves.

Cast each spell multiple times under the different factors to ensure I wasn't providing crit numbers.

Buffless Stone I w/o Chant: 147
Buffless Stone I w/ Chant w/o AF head: 166
Buffless Stone I w/o Chant w/ AF head (+19 Int +15 ele skill): 160
Buffless Stone I w/ Chant w/ AF head: 185

Acumen Stone I w/o Chant w/o AF head: 198
Acumen Stone I w/ Chant w/ AF head: 241

Malaise Stone I w/o Chant w/o AF head: 168
Malaise Stone I w/ Chant w/ AF head: 213

Acumen Malaise Stone I w/o Chant w/o AF head: 228
Acumen Malaise Stone I w/ Chant w/ AF head: 277

Hope you're able to get the values figured out with those Slycer, much appreciated. :D

[Fwahm]

Looks like "Enhances Cardinal Chant" is +25% to the directional benefits.

Acumen seems to be at +35 MAB in your tests, while Malaise is at -13 MDB.

[Damane]

Looks like "Enhances Cardinal Chant" is +25% to the directional benefits.

Acumen seems to be at +35 MAB in your tests, while Malaise is at -13 MDB.

question is if he swaped out cape and hands when casting magic. the bonus to indi-geo spells from skill aplies only if the skill equip remains equiped, otherwise they fall back 1 tier or so. doesnt work like bard spells where you cast it with skill+ and then can swap out whatever you want.

[pancakesandsex]

question is if he swaped out cape and hands when casting magic. the bonus to indi-geo spells from skill aplies only if the skill equip remains equiped, otherwise they fall back 1 tier or so. doesnt work like bard spells where you cast it with skill+ and then can swap out whatever you want.

I was not aware of this. Was there some testing you can link to?

[Damane]

I was not aware of this. Was there some testing you can link to?

I did test it myself, with indi-barrier (some pages ago) removeing your skill+ gear makes the buffpotency of the spells go down, likewise reappling it made the buffpotency go up again.

[Malithar]

The gear was left on. But regardless of that, tested Frailty once we got the hands and bell, and I saw the contrary of what you're saying. Removing gear didn't effect the potency of the Frailty effect that was already up. Dumb question, but being % based, are you certain the loss of a tier of your Barrier wasn't due to a lower defense from gear for the % to boost?

I'll go retest that now, as that's going to be a big deal for Geo going forward.

Tested on the zone line of Adoulin and Ceizak for ease of losing buff. No Ionis.

Results with Indi-Barrier.

Base defense: 612

Replacing the skill gear results in:
Def: 609

Base Def with Barrier: 724
Replaced Def with Barrier: 720

To be clear, casted Indi-Barrier in full skill gear, marked def, replaced gloves with Bokwus, cape with Refraction (for a loss of 3 def total, due to the Vit from gloves), and removed bell, then marked def.

Is 1 really the difference between a tier, or is that from flooring? Guessing flooring, but too busy atm to bother checking the math.

[Damane]

The gear was left on. But regardless of that, tested Frailty once we got the hands and bell, and I saw the contrary of what you're saying. Removing gear didn't effect the potency of the Frailty effect that was already up. Dumb question, but being % based, are you certain the loss of a tier of your Barrier wasn't due to a lower defense from gear for the % to boost?

I'll go retest that now, as that's going to be a big deal for Geo going forward.

i rechecked like 3 times to make sure that my gear def wouldnt have any influence on it, but I am glad you are going to recheck, never hurts.

here is in reference what I have posted way back:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/115...=1#post5819328

for reference I was useing Indi-barrier not geo-barrier

mind if you check both geo and indi spells. maybe they work differently as in: geo spells only need the +skill on cast (as in summoning the pet with higher stat with + skill) while indi spells need the skill+ constantly applied

[Malithar]

Checked Geo-Barrier with the same method as mentioned above, and received the same result.

Tried it naked as well, results were.

Skill gear def: 257
Naked: 175

Gear + Barrier: 304
Naked + Barrier: 207

[Damane]

Checked Geo-Barrier with the same method as mentioned above, and received the same result.

EDIT: nvm just saw your edit

[Malithar]

Looks like "Enhances Cardinal Chant" is +25% to the directional benefits.

Acumen seems to be at +35 MAB in your tests, while Malaise is at -13 MDB.

Was really hoping for more from the head. :/ Speaking on the Malaise bit, is it possible its a -% MDB effect? Acumen and Malaise were very similar in effect in my earlier tests on the Ceizak Mandy, but on the Ronfaure Rabbits, Malaise was much weaker. Is MDB known for any mobs, or is it just kind of a shot in the dark?

[Slycer]

It's a little confusing because you uncapped dINT by dropping it so low (93), but what someone said above about +25% sounds correct (and also extremely disappointing). What good is that head if you're only effectively getting like 3 MAB from it, and only when you're standing in the right place? Was hoping for +100% to Chant (or at least +50%). You'd get more damage out of a Bokwus Circlet at like rank 1 with the MAB augment.

[pancakesandsex]

So is the AF hat addative or multiplicative with collimated fervor?