Rune Fencer Findings

[Taim Meich]

How are you getting 3800 damage Lunges?

I'm getting a rough estimate of ~450 * (0.5 + (0.25*4)*4, which is ~2700.

RUN doesn't get much MAB gear, so maybe make that 3000-3200.

(440*(0.5 + (0.25*4))*4 = 2640. I have 42 MAB in gear, and it's good, but far from optimized. That makes the Lunge 2640*1.42 = 3748.

Fun fact, using Gambit before, the Lunge would be of around 3748/0.6 = 6246.

[Byrthnoth]

Merit predictions:

Tier 1:
1) Enhance Rune effects - +2 resistance per merit level
2) Increase Lunge potency - +3 MAB per merit level
3) Decrease Lunge recast - 6 seconds per merit level
4) Decrease Swordplay recast - 10 seconds per merit level
5) Decrease Pflug recast - 10 seconds per merit level

Tier 2:
1) Defensive Stance - Increase Parrying, Evasion, and Resistance until severe damage.
2) Offensive Stance - Decrease Parrying, Evasion, and resistance in exchange for 10% JA Haste (exclusive with #1)
3) Enhancing Magic Trait - Increase duration of Enhancing Magic by 10% per merit level. Stacks additively with Embolden, allowing you to restore the original duration of spells.
4) Valiance Enhancing Trait - enhances the potency of Valiance somehow.

[dasva]

Even with a huge lunge number even if 1 rune boosted it by 1k dmg that would be like 5dps lol. As far as the rest it remains to see how powerful that will be. The element dmg reduction is nice... but aegis still better. More -dt on mob is awesome but how much of that do we do let alone single element 1 min nuke zergs? Resist we shall see. Juat doesn't sound like mythic lvl actual usefulness. Then again a lot of mythics are meh on their abilities and are just useful for their am3

[Prothescar]

Wouldn't mind a merit ability that enhanced Attack/Defense/whatever based on the number of runes harbored. 5/10/15 percent each or something

[Jem]

What I'd like to see, but I doubt it will happen, is a debuff attached to Lunge where the potency/debuff depends on the elements and number of runes consumed. Like an AF piece that causes Lunge to gain those properties.

They don't necessarily have to be overpowering or stack with existing options and could have like 30-60 second duration. It would just add a bit of extra utility for RUN.

[Sayzar]

What I'd like to see, but I doubt it will happen, is a debuff attached to Lunge where the potency/debuff depends on the elements and number of runes consumed. Like an AF piece that causes Lunge to gain those properties.

They don't necessarily have to be overpowering or stack with existing options and could have like 30-60 second duration. It would just add a bit of extra utility for RUN.

I don't think that is too farfetched. Perhaps Rasp/Shock/Drown etc would make perfect sense. Or perhaps even a stat modifier depending on the rune (Fire=Str, Thunder=Dex, Wind=Agi, etc) Maybe +5 per rune, I couldn't see that being overpowered.

[Sayzar]

Wouldn't mind a merit ability that enhanced Attack/Defense/whatever based on the number of runes harbored. 5/10/15 percent each or something

Eh, maybe a def increase but I doubt they would do Atk pretty sure DRKs would cry too much lol

[Taim Meich]

And, so far, what role do you think RUN can have in group play? I see RUN on a DD party on NMs that deal too much AoE elemental damage, so that their elemental protection relieves a good amount of stress to the WHMs, while contributing a decent amount of damage themselves.

What I don't see RUN doing now is... Tanking. Their elemental defense may be good (it is), but they are too far from PLD to withstand normal mobs hits with ease... Much less NM caliber hits. And, considering their evasive capabilities aren't that good either, I see them as support/DD rather than tanks.

[Sayzar]

And, so far, what role do you think RUN can have in group play? I see RUN on a DD party on NMs that deal too much AoE elemental damage, so that their elemental protection relieves a good amount of stress to the WHMs, while contributing a decent amount of damage themselves.

What I don't see RUN doing now is... Tanking. Their elemental defense may be good (it is), but they are too far from PLD to withstand normal mobs hits with ease... Much less NM caliber hits. And, considering their evasive capabilities aren't that good either, I see them as support/DD rather than tanks.

Did SE bother to announce what they intended RUN to be? I think wiki once called it a tank but now I believe it's listed as a "Fighter". I have actually spent countless hours trying to figure out what SE intended RUN to be, or if they put any thought into it what soever.

[Prothescar]

Eh, maybe a def increase but I doubt they would do Atk pretty sure DRKs would cry too much lol

Let them cry, we need it more

[Sayzar]

Let them cry, we need it more

Lol, couldn't agree more.

[Jem]

I don't think it would be hugely infringing on DRK's capabilities anyway. They would still have Desperate Blows which would make a larger difference between the two jobs DD wise.

[Isiolia]

Did SE bother to announce what they intended RUN to be? I think wiki once called it a tank but now I believe it's listed as a "Fighter". I have actually spent countless hours trying to figure out what SE intended RUN to be, or if they put any thought into it what soever.

I believe it was introduced at fanfest to be a new main tank job along with PLD and NIN, only specializing in defense against magic. The writeup on the Adoulin site also states that "Just as with paladin and ninja, they excel in keeping their comrades safe, particularly with respect to magical damage from the elements."

I don't think the intended role as a tank has ever been ambiguous. 'course, what SE intends isn't always how things pan out.

[Sayzar]

I believe it was introduced at fanfest to be a new main tank job along with PLD and NIN, only specializing in defense against magic. The writeup on the Adoulin site also states that "Just as with paladin and ninja, they excel in keeping their comrades safe, particularly with respect to magical damage from the elements."

I don't think the intended role as a tank has ever been ambiguous. 'course, what SE intends isn't always how things pan out.

Yeah, honestly it's suprising that they acknowledged NIN as a tank, I was told a long time ago that it was released as a range DD job. I think we will have to make it our duty to create a place in the world for RUN...somehow.

[Sayzar]

I don't think it would be hugely infringing on DRK's capabilities anyway. They would still have Desperate Blows which would make a larger difference between the two jobs DD wise.

Not to mention the OAT Trial GSWD.

[Priran]

SE is still SE right?

rune fencer's merits are gonna be "enhance (rune)", one for each element. see: smn, blm, rdm, nin

[Fwahm]

DRK has heavy gear (which is geared more towards STR for Resolution than light gear), attack bonus, 25% haste and attack on Last Resort, and Ragnarok/OAT Magian GSD. Giving even a 25% attack bonus to a hypothetical ability won't infringe on DRK's DD applications.

[Jem]

Not to mention the OAT Trial GSWD.

Well RUN can equip Crobaci so that's not really a huge deal in the long run.

But RUN would need pretty substantial boosts all around before DRKs would remotely care. You only have to look as far as Ragna WAR for the proof really. RUN isn't going to match a WAR in DD traits and WAR needs Mighty Strikes to be ahead of a DRK when they're both using greatswords.

[Sayzar]

Well RUN can equip Crobaci so that's not really a huge deal in the long run.

But RUN would need pretty substantial boosts all around before DRKs would remotely care. You only have to look as far as Ragna WAR for the proof really. RUN isn't going to match a WAR in DD traits and WAR needs Mighty Strikes to be ahead of a DRK when they're both using greatswords.

Crobaci? I'm not familiar with that. What's the specs?

[dasva]

Not to mention the OAT Trial GSWD.

At least we get epic skirmish one. But yeah we are seriously missing DD buffs. Att in particular since we are on thf gear and such and using a ws with an att penalty. Along with the buff with runes I'd love if it gave secondary stat instead. Like fire att, ice mab, earth def etc like the same ones on elemental magians. Of course amounts will vary depending on stat. 20 att per rune would be reasonable 20 mab not as much. But try to balance it so most might have a situational purpose to give the rune usage a degree of flexibility kinda like blu spell setting.