Rune Fencer Findings

[dasva]

If you want to use a dispel example, use Geist Wall.

The form doesn't really matter. RUN offers no offensive advantage and defensively only good if you letting stuff thru in which case any mob with dispel is going to. ie the very situation that makes run relavent at the same time makes it irrelavent. Now on Dakuwaqa that's a different story

[Khary]

I still have hope that RUN will find it's place in this game. This has happened to many new jobs in the past (example: Pup and Sch for starters). I see some of you posting that RUN has it's uses it certain places, so I'll keep on buggin my friends to have me come RUN too :D

[Dotsudoku]

PUP has absolutely not found its place in this game. It got a tremendous solo boost which has distracted the enthusiasts from its complete lack of allure in group content.

And not that this probably can't be said about a couple other "useful" jobs, but SCH is really hanging on by a thread right now. Not that Regen5 and such aren't great to have around, but they've been utterly eclipsed in overall curative performance, and elemental damage still isn't important enough to specifically keep someone around for it. As soon as 6-second stuns stop being necessary, SCH is going to need some help.

[dasva]

Sch is still a better rdm then um rdm for now so don't feel too bad lol

[Dotsudoku]

Yeah. That isn't to say that there aren't jobs worse off, but people tend to overlook that SCH gets passed from niche to niche, and this particular niche is probably not here to stay.

[Kyte]

What's most important right now is not RUN's trouble finding a niche.

Rather, focus should be directed towards the completely hideous AF2 design that was .dat mined earlier in August. Voice your opinion in this thread so that you too can express your displease in a almost-certainly futile attempt to change it. The fact that there are a couple of people who actually like the design scares me more than anything else that has ever come out of the OF.

[Prothescar]

I 300% approve the above post

[Seha]

No thanks, I like peach.

[kenshyn]

What's most important right now is not RUN's trouble finding a niche.

Rather, focus should be directed towards the completely hideous AF2 design that was .dat mined earlier in August. Voice your opinion in this thread so that you too can express your displease in a almost-certainly futile attempt to change it. The fact that there are a couple of people who actually like the design scares me more than anything else that has ever come out of the OF.

Double QFT QFT

[Ophannus]

On some real RUN talk, has anyone quantified any of the JA bonuses for RUN AF yet? I haven't seen any talk or testing on the Pflug/Vallation/Valiance/Gambit bonuses of AF or the Regen duration bonus.

[Treize Kordero]

What's most important right now is not RUN's trouble finding a niche.

Rather, focus should be directed towards the completely hideous AF2 design that was .dat mined earlier in August. Voice your opinion in this thread so that you too can express your displease in a almost-certainly futile attempt to change it. The fact that there are a couple of people who actually like the design scares me more than anything else that has ever come out of the OF.

OH GOD... PLEASE GOD NO!!! I prefer it was Red or White, anything but that flesh colour.. omg... Altana save me

[dasva]

On some real RUN talk, has anyone quantified any of the JA bonuses for RUN AF yet? I haven't seen any talk or testing on the Pflug/Vallation/Valiance/Gambit bonuses of AF or the Regen duration bonus.

Yeah look thru the pages back right after it came out it should all be in here other than Pflug since that is probably never going to be tested

[Sechs]

How does Gambit duration work? I know AF hands adds +10 (meh) seconds of lasting time, but other than that? Is it "fixed"? Does it depend on the target? Is there some stats check to determine lasting time?
I don't think I even ever used it seriously, but earlier on a Uragnite outside of Adoulin my Lunge went from 1,3k to 4,9k and it surprised me.
Even after reading some posts here and there about the results I didn't expect it to be THIS good.

[Prothescar]

it's static. can't be resisted or otherwise reduced (can prolly be erased). that lunge damage increase is the product of the uragnite's mechanic on top of gambit, though. gambit increases damage of the appropriate element by 30%, not almost 400

[Sechs]

Ok it's static. And how much does it last? FFXIclopedia has it at 1 min whereas BGwiki has a big ? in the "Duration" row.

[Prothescar]

70 seconds with af hands

[Foldypaws]

Because SE released a magic tanking job and nothing but AoE-Physical spamming bosses.

Oh sure they have elemental themes, but less than a quarter of their damage tends to be magical.

Aren't the bird and tree primarily magical damage?

[dasva]

Bird has a decent spread of both and can hit fairly hard in both. Especially when it puts up unavoidance so you can't block or anything or magic def/eva down or removes a bunch of your buffs right before doing something big. Or all of those

Tree seems to be mostly magic but it's kinda meh magic. Like I get on aegis I litterally need 0 outside cures if I'm not weak. And if I die from doom I can still tank easily with my dual boxed crap geared whm mule. So while yes primarily magic but the dmg from the magic isn't all that much to write home about. Actually think some of it's moves are physical too but they are also kinda weak. The real things you gotta work around are it's crazy regen when aura up and the constant debuffs hitting you from the moves. Especailly the AoE doom

[Tatham]

Rune Fencer is a decent job in my opinion, people just aren't experimenting with it.

Remember how insane Delve NM evasion/defense was upon release? Remember when people starting trying Geomancy on them?

Why Ward: Pflug is not party-wide (when used from RUN main) is beyond me, it'd be a simple fix and would easily warrant it's space in a party.


Also, I have a suspicion that people are going to need Rune Fencers for the future Marjami Ravine Fracture. People get away with /RUN in Foret purely because of the enspell damage on the Shark but when you're facing Hurkan's Delve equivalent, which I highly suspect is going to be 100% Stun immune, you will need Vallation and Valiance to survive.

[Fwahm]

I personally think Runes themselves should be party wide. You can give your entire party that >100 resistance to the relevant element, while buffing their damage as well.