Rune Fencer Findings

[Kyte]

I ran with a RUN on AAMR Normal the other day. My conclusion is, it's doable but obviously much more difficult. Their spell Foil works wonders on things like Rampage, but the moment it drops (should be able to keep it up full time, but should it drop), Rampage will potentially 1 shot RUNs. Granted, he wasn't extremely geared. As for Cloudsplitter, I doubt it would be an issue with the right runes up. Overall, I think their enmity generation is even less than that of a PLD, or perhaps the RUN just wasn't as geared; but in the end, both tanking classes have similar issues with enmity if you're not running with Annihilator RNGs. RUN takes more damage overall as well, but not unreasonable for AAs on normal (WHM actually has to do something). It's not going to widely used in PUGs for sure, but I bet there are static groups out there using it.

lol, MR Normal is laughably easy to tank on RUN and the difference in damage taken isn't nearly as large as you're saying.

[Dotsudoku]

Trying to find this deep buried in threads lolz
I'm wondering what have you RUN done tanking on what NMs and etc...

All Ark Angels D/VD(using a RNG setup), and Marjami delve

I switched back to PLD after I became confident tanking them on RUN, though. Twice as much work to be a noticeably worse tank wasn't doing it for me anymore

[Sechs]

Doesn't seem to me RUN is a "noticeably worse tank" in Marjami?
Probably so for AAs, I have no issues believing that, but in Marjami it seems to me a good RUN is doing the job just as good as a PLD would? Or at least if there's a difference it doesn't seem to be as huge as you seem to be saying in your post (unless I misunderstood you?

Lately I managed to tank a couple of things on RUN myself and I had lots of fun. Have to say that they really need to make other tweaks to the dispel thing. I can accept Valiance being dispellable since it's AoE, but at least Vallation should be totally undispellable...

[dasva]

I think he was just meaning to get anywhere near as good as pld takes a bit of work and gearing while pld can basically just full time a hybrid or dt set and occasionally switched between aegis and ochain and maybe flash here and there

[Dotsudoku]

Doesn't seem to me RUN is a "noticeably worse tank" in Marjami?
Probably so for AAs, I have no issues believing that, but in Marjami it seems to me a good RUN is doing the job just as good as a PLD would? Or at least if there's a difference it doesn't seem to be as huge as you seem to be saying in your post (unless I misunderstood you?

Lately I managed to tank a couple of things on RUN myself and I had lots of fun. Have to say that they really need to make other tweaks to the dispel thing. I can accept Valiance being dispellable since it's AoE, but at least Vallation should be totally undispellable...

The difference on lesser NMs is trivial(I take more physical damage of course, but who cares). The difference on Zapdos is massive. All RUN has to offer is some MDB traits and the occasional outright resist. My PLD sits there at ~300 higher HP and 87.5% MDT without shell on '~'

Love RUN, and I still have it geared, but the change in workload is astronomical, and the payout is horrendously unbalanced

[Raelia]

There are two kinds of RUNs in this game. Those who tank Delve bosses and AAs, and those who still sub RDM.

[chichicha]

So.... For RUN that tank AAs and Delve NMs sub /Sam? Or /Blu for Cocoon?
I left one to two months after RUN was out and now started to look at this again /blush

[Dotsudoku]

Unless you outright can't manage shadows against something, always /NIN. Your damage is going to be awful either way, and there's really no beating the mitigating power of Utsusemi with 80% FC

[Damane]

Unless you outright can't manage shadows against something, always /NIN. Your damage is going to be awful either way, and there's really no beating the mitigating power of Utsusemi with 80% FC

would delve axes 2.0 be better then GSW when /nin? the idea crossed my mind several times now

[Hitou]

Can't see any advantage with it, but with enough acc and ruinator it can't be worse than GS.

[Ophannus]

Can RUN mitigate arrogance incarnate through any of their spells or abilities or 2hr? Is it truly a non elemental AoE breath(but if it was breath it would deal weaker damage at lower hp but pretty sure it's still potent as fuck even at 5%. )

[dasva]

Can RUN mitigate arrogance incarnate through any of their spells or abilities or 2hr? Is it truly a non elemental AoE breath(but if it was breath it would deal weaker damage at lower hp but pretty sure it's still potent as fuck even at 5%. )

Classification as breath dmg doesn't necessarily mean it works like a breath spell/move just that it works with -bdt. It can but doesn't necessarily. Like spirits within does atonement doesn't. But I'd imagine they might have just put a cap on it for the AAs because with it's hp spirits within could do like what 500k dmg lol?

[Kyte]

would delve axes 2.0 be better then GSW when /nin? the idea crossed my mind several times now

While I haven't bothered to spreadsheet it or anything, if you were to try it, you would be using axe/sword and not axe/axe.

[Dotsudoku]

Axe/sword would almost certainly be better for damage while tanking, but I can't stress enough how meaningless your contribution will be. RUN has virtually no time to swing

[Fwahm]

Can RUN mitigate arrogance incarnate through any of their spells or abilities or 2hr? Is it truly a non elemental AoE breath(but if it was breath it would deal weaker damage at lower hp but pretty sure it's still potent as fuck even at 5%. )

The cap on Arrogance Incarnate is ridiculously low compared to her HP. Even if it was based on HP like most breaths, it'd only go under cap at like 0.5% HP left.

[Cleverness]

So leveled RUN to 99, started the AF quests. Any possible way to do the elemental + Oberon solo? Have some friends to help me out if needed but just curious if they are soloable, tried RUN/DNC on the ele as I read it was doable but it's really hard to pull off with that terror TP move, Trusts don't help a ton cause of the AoE and its -PDT.

[Fwahm]

Red Mage can solo them both if you have it available and geared (though they take frigging forever). Not sure about the Orobon, but you don't have to be on RUN for the elemental.

[Hachi]

I used this method to solo the orobon, took about 45 minutes. Valaineral/Ajido/Kupipi. Would have probably been shorter if I actually took MP restoratives with me, but whatever.

[dasva]

So notice the BG pages on some jas are a little lacking Rayke has 5 min recast and base duration of 30 sec. 119 relic boots don't appear to increase duration even fully merited so probably enhances whatever the effect is

Gambit base duration is 1 min with 5 min recast

Swipe does same dmg as single rune lunge

[Martel]

Did you catch that there's not a Vivacious Pulse page at all? lol