Colonization Thread

**Byrthnoth** · 2013-09-29 07:02

I'm going around completing all the quests for Advisor now and I noticed that about half of the Inventors' Guild quests do not appear in my completed log, even though I'm almost entirely sure that I completed them.

**Fwahm** · 2013-09-29 08:09

No problems on my character; all 11 gather quests are in the completed log.

**sahearniitth** · 2013-09-29 16:49

In line with some previous posts about Inventors/Couriers taking more than 20/25 to rank up I have noticed some inconsistencies with Mummers as well.

My rank up to Partner AND Advisor occurred somewhere between 19-21 tags used (not the expected 25) while all the prior rankups in mummers were at the expected 20 tags. The difference in how I ranked these 2 coaltions compared to others was that I only used ops from the current tier to rank up as opposed to spamming an easy low tier one in other coalitions.

I will be working on inventors next where I plan to do all current tier ops once and then spam thread. Will post findings when I finish it up.

**Hitou** · 2013-09-29 16:53

This probably isn't what happened to you, but I thought I had done a number of assignments already on my main and it ended up that I had actually done them on a mule.

**NynJa** · 2013-09-30 01:45

My inventors definately went 20-40-65 instead of 20-40-60. I didnt notice anything abnormal with courier's though.

**sahearniitth** · 2013-10-19 17:52

Here are my findings so far on rank up in Inventors with 2 characters. Character 1 was only using ops from the current tier for rank up. Character 2 spammed a lowest tier op over and over.
Based on my experience with Mummers a few posts up I expect my Partner > Advisor to take 20 on character 1 and will post a confirmation in a few days.

Assumption Made - Each Rank up is atleast as many tags as the rank prior.

Zone x[Total Repeats Done] ([Repeats]*[Tags Used])

Character 1
Petitioner > Probationer (20)
Rala x5 (4*3, 1*2)
Ceizak x1 (1*3)
Yahse x1 (1*3)

Probationer > Disciple (20)
Sih x2 (1*3, 1*2)
Moh x5 (5*3)

Disciple > Contributer (20)
Foret x1 (1*3)
Morimar x6 (5*3, 1*2)

Contributer > Partner (20)
Cirdas x7 (6*3, 1*2)

Partner > Advisor TBD (expected 20/21 based on mummers experience)

Character 2
Petitioner > Probationer (20)
Rala x5 (4*3, 1*2)
Ceizak x1 (1*3)
Yahse x1 (1*3)

Probationer > Disciple (20)
Rala x7 (6*3, 1*2)

Disciple > Contributer (25)
Rala x12 (6*3, 1*2, 5*1)

Contributer > Partner (25)
Rala x9 (8*3, 1*1)

Partner > Advisor (34)
Rala x (9*3, 7*1)
(On this particular set I accidentally did a 3 tag op going from 30-33. So the overall progression was 3tag ops till 24tags then 1tag ops till 30 total. Then a 3 tag op and then a 1 tag op. I realize that 34 isn't as "nice" a result as 35 but based on thread used I don't think I made any mistakes but maybe someone else can verify).

**sahearniitth** · 2013-10-24 23:59

As expected, Partner to Advisor on Character 1 took 20 tags.

In summary rank ups take place every 20 tags if you do ops of the current tier. If you do lesser ops they may take 20 or more (upto 34 in the case of Partner > Advisor rank up using lowest tier ops). The 20 tag rank ups were verified with Mummers/Inventors but it would stand that it follows in other coalitions as well. This would explain the variance people found from numbers posted on BGWiki.

**Malithar** · 2013-10-25 00:23

Good stuff, don't remember anyone doing any tests on the tier of assignments the imps were spent on. It was just discovered early on that it went by number of imps spent, rather than number of assignments completed. Good to know for the future that doing the highest tier will result in ranking up faster for less imps.

Anyone else prep up for the update? I've been hoarding my imps since capping out on rank, and I've got all Pioneers, Peacekeepers, Mummers, and Scouts current assignments completed, just waiting to turn in. Imps and Bloodthread set aside to rank Inventors up as well, and prepped for Couriers, just can't really do them easily til the update. Wonder if we'll be getting more individuals ranks than coalition ranks this update like we did last time. Know the last edification from the .dats is the chimney.

**cdgreg** · 2013-10-26 11:10

Originally Posted by sahearniitth

In summary rank ups take place every 20 tags if you do ops of the current tier. If you do lesser ops they may take 20 or more (upto 34 in the case of Partner > Advisor rank up using lowest tier ops). The 20 tag rank ups were verified with Mummers/Inventors but it would stand that it follows in other coalitions as well. This would explain the variance people found from numbers posted on BGWiki.

This would explain why partner>advisor in pioneer's SEEMED to take so damn long. I was loading up clear the way, procure resources logging, and find the lost article from mummers since I was just starting that coalition then running around ceizak accomplishing whatever and re-loading.

**Byrthnoth** · 2013-10-28 06:51

So, this guy says that he got both KIs after completing all assignments except the base supply ones from Courier's: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/40...ordon/#2480009

I've completed all assignments except the base supply ones from Courier's (I have 67 done), but I cannot get the second KI. Additionally:
* I think I've done all the quests except RUN/GEO AF (64 done)
* I'm Rank 5 fame
* I think I have all current missions done (on Yggdrasil)
* I've killed all WKRs, beaten all Fractures, etc.
* I know I've beaten at least V/V/V Cirdas skirmish.

Can anyone guess what the last requirement is? The only things I can think of are V/V/V Yorcia+Rala and RUN/GEO AF.

**Sechs** · 2013-10-28 07:11

I finally got my 2x KIs the other day.
Done all assignments except the ones you cannot do anymore once Frontier Stations are estabilished.

1) All Quests Done (RUN and Mog Garden included)
2) All Coalitions Advisor Rank
3) 5x Wildkeepers Reive done
4) All Celennia memorial achievements done ( including the first 3 Naakuals item + the second Naakuals couple item, the 10k KU, the 10k Bayld and so on)
5) All 3 Delve megabosses done + several turn-ins at the Anomaly NPC (doubt this matters tbh)
6) Done all missions/cut-scenes
7) Fame Max Rank

What I have NOT done
1) Furrow Rank 5, still at rank 4 and it's kinda annoying me >.>
2) No Geo quest done aside from the unlocking one
3) Have NOT beaten Torso T5 Skirmish (I don't have infinite gil like you!) and I think I haven't got the tile from Cirdas either. I do have it from Rala though

If I recall the first KI comes from doing all Coalition Assignments, whereas the second comes from completing all the current "achievements" in SoA? Unless that's not the case but I can't think of anything else.
Have you done all the other Celennia achievements things? Can you spot any differences between me and yours?

**Byrthnoth** · 2013-10-28 07:15

I have not done RUN af quests and I am not totally sure I am done all the other quests. How many are in your completed Adoulin log?

**Sechs** · 2013-10-28 07:39

I can't check now but I will once I'm home.
I seriously doubt RUN quests are necessary.
IF that's what you're missing, and that's a big "if", all I can think of is:

1) In addition to all the "basic" quest, you need to do at least X optional ones (the only optional ones so far are RUN and GEO genkai + AF)
2) You need to do at least some job specific quest (Genkai? first AF?) doesn't matter if it's GEO or RUN

If it's any of these it's simple to test out, pick one of those jobs and start doing those quests?

Can anybody say if they manged to get the 2x KIs WITHOUT doing anything for GEO/RUN other than unlocking them?
Of course SE had do create a hideous and convoluted achievement system. Doing something with its own menu like everybody else does would have be to simple inorite? Nooooo let's create a mysterious NPC with mysterious dialogues which unlock with mysterious conditions, it's more fun! And you have to travel there to check it instead of opening an option from your menu. That's totally way more entertaining!

**Fwahm** · 2013-10-28 08:46

I've gotten the two key items without doing anything for RUN and GEO beyond unlocking them.

**Byrthnoth** · 2013-10-28 09:14

How many quests are there in your Completed Adoulin list? Each screen is 8 (at least for me). I'm wondering if I missed some obscure quest.

**Fwahm** · 2013-10-28 10:05

I have 66 quests completed (counting Mog Gardens); 8 pages of 8, with 2 extra.

**sahearniitth** · 2013-10-28 10:11

These are the 66 quests you need to have completed based on previous discussion. Although without these you shouldn't have gotten some of the earlier rewards (KU etc) so if you received all of them before and are only missing the mattock/shovel rewards then I am unsure what you are missing.

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**Byrthnoth** · 2013-10-28 10:29

I am specifically only missing the very last KI, but I only have 64 quests done. I must be missing two of the quests. I'll give that list a shot tonight, thanks, Sah!

**sahearniitth** · 2013-10-28 10:41

What I was trying to say was that if you are missing 2 of the quests (as seems to be the case) then you shouldn't have gotten one of the earlier rewards for quest completion. Either that or those previous rewards arnt as clear cut as people thought.

In addition, I don't think I miscounted but there are only 66 Coalition Assignments as well. You said you had 67 completed, so you have to have at least 1 of the "Provide" ops completed. Since you said you didn't have those done, maybe its possible you had more than 1 "Provide" op done and are missing some other Coalition Assigment. Just something else to check if completing the quests don't deliver.

**Byrthnoth** · 2013-10-28 10:47

I'm pretty confident in the 67 number and I think it matches what bgwiki has:

Pioneers' - 12
Peacekeepers' - 12
Couriers' - 13 (4 provide)
Scouts' - 11
Mummers' - 12
Inventors' - 11
= 67 (71 with the four Provides)

I thought the earlier rewards were from completing all quests inside/outside of the city (before Yorcia/Marjami were added and not including RUN/GEO AF). If that's the case, I could be missing quests in the new zones or new quests in the city.

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