Skirmish: Findings and Information

[Arthars]

Does anyone here have personal experience in Skirmish? I was curious about its difficulty and the drop rate. I know that the higher tier entry items yield better results, but how much better? Does it justify the several mil increase among items, or it is only a little better?

it is nowhere near difficult. It is meeble difficulty at best.

The only problem is navigation if you have no legs II and above..... But we have people working out maps here and its pretty promising :D

loot wise, generally the higher tier the head, the better QUALITY but can still mean quality GARBAGE. since now theres already report on visage I dropping +2 stones, then the higher tier prolly just yield a higher chance of +2 rocks, which is eventually the ultimate item everyone will be after.

as for bodies, higher = more time and more objective and more WEAPONS. this also prolly affects the number of rocks you can get i assume.

legs? dont really matter tbh.............not huge impact given how expensive high tier parts are

[Gwynplaine]

is that new?

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...psafc0d0f7.png


nothing special in the final chest lol.

I've seen that message in the dats, but I didn't see it during the run I did. I haven't seen anyone else personally report it either. Going from the dats the chests can "rank up" to as much as 5 stars. Any idea what caused that? Maybe it depends upon the pieces.

[macross]

oshit good to know



haha yea now with my friend cleaving as well, we double the luck in more zones now O_O My stalking skills across zones is pretty impressive!

Do you bunch up stuff along the wall? I still try to fight them out in the open in case the bayld spot get put into the wall. Wonder if you've had any pyre near the wall, with the 0% spot inside a wall? I know you said the 0% can be in the water if you pull on bridges.

[mdkuser]

I've seen that message in the dats, but I didn't see it during the run I did. I haven't seen anyone else personally report it either. Going from the dats the chests can "rank up" to as much as 5 stars. Any idea what caused that? Maybe it depends upon the pieces.

Wild guess:

- looks like it was our 10th run or close.

- a certain amount of obsidian fragments earned? I have bought legI so thats 2279 so far.

I hope the chest level up thing garrantees stone +2 at max level or something.

[Arthars]

Do you bunch up stuff along the wall? I still try to fight them out in the open in case the bayld spot get put into the wall. Wonder if you've had any pyre near the wall, with the 0% spot inside a wall? I know you said the 0% can be in the water if you pull on bridges.

yes i bunch up on all

i have lost 3 pieces cos 0% is in wall :X

what i do now is cleave till all low(altho some may die before all gets low like matamata, and pyre may pop, and parts may pop but thats my bad luck if it does i guess -_-)

and then sentinel and bring them out to open and aeolian edge

http://mectradegroup.org/FFXI/cirdasI_U.jpg
all I pieces cirdas run
also hijacking mdkuser's pic and edited XD

[Toioiz]

Wild guess:

- looks like it was our 10th run or close.

- a certain amount of obsidian fragments earned? I have bought legI so thats 2279 so far.

I hope the chest level up thing garrantees stone +2 at max level or something.

We saw this on one of our runs too, first it was 1 star, then it went to two stars, it surprised us as well, noone got a +2 stone from those runs though.

[macross]

What do you cleave in each zone? and how many do you pull hehe? I notice you don't even have an ochain, wonder if going pld would be better than going war and retaliating shit.

[Cambion]

You can get +2 stones from a T1 head, it's just not very common.

We should be building a simple chart:

T1 Body: 2 Weapons + 3 Chest Items
T2 Body: 3 Weapons + 4 Chest Items
T3 Body: ? Weapons + ? Chest Items
T4 Body: ? Weapons + ? Chest Items
T5 Body: ? Weapons + ? Chest Items

T1 Head: 20% Chance at +2 stones
T2 Head: 40% Chance at +2 stones
T3 Head: 60% Chance at +2 stones
T4 Head: 80% Chance at +2 stones
T5 Head: 100% on at least one +2 stone?

Obviously I'm just picking numbers that mesh well, and there are far more items than just +2 stones.
But I'm more interested in people who have used higher Tier bodies, and can fill out the 3 4 and 5.

Assuming that a T3 Body is 4 Weapons and 5 items, it would mean that a safe 'market' for the T3 Body, would be double what a T1 body costs.
Then a T2 should scale consistently, between the two. Could possibly generate a more standardized market for piece prices.

[Slycer]

Assuming that a T3 Body is 4 Weapons and 5 items, it would mean that a safe 'market' for the T3 Body, would be double what a T1 body costs.
Then a T2 should scale consistently, between the two. Could possibly generate a more standardized market for piece prices.

No, don't forget that every time you do a run you need to use head and legs. The tier 3 body cost should be the cost of two tier one bodies PLUS one head and one legs. So like, if Tier I stuff is all 2 million (for example), a tier 3 body should be 8 million, not 4 million, because you save a head and a legs. I actually think most people will not realize this fact, which actually might make it more cost-effective to buy higher tier bodies (at least to an extent).

It just adds +1 for each tier of body, btw. I confirmed tier 5 earlier to be 6 weapons and 7 chest items for secondary objective.

[dasva]

Does body also give you more odds for augment stones or just more items in general though? Because if not you got to factor in that once people start doing this much everyone in a group may get all the weapons they want before the augments they want especially if you use higher tier bodies so once newness wears down the increase in amount of weapons will be less valuable

[Cambion]

No, don't forget that every time you do a run you need to use head and legs. The tier 3 body cost should be the cost of two tier one bodies PLUS one head and one legs. So like, if Tier I stuff is all 2 million (for example), a tier 3 body should be 8 million, not 4 million, because you save a head and a legs. I actually think most people will not realize this fact, which actually might make it more cost-effective to buy higher tier bodies (at least to an extent).

That depends on how you approach the Event. If you purchase all 3, then sure.
But if you farmed your head/legs, Then buying a Torso in this scenario drastically alters your outlook on worth/value/cost.

[grevenilvec75]

Just so i'm sure, pretty much only worth doing this for the new weapons right? No other gear that drops?

[Cambion]

Just so i'm sure, pretty much only worth doing this for the new weapons right? No other gear that drops?

Correct. Assuming you also understand that the items used to Augment the weapons, also come from Skirmish.
Also appears to be a Pre-Req for Delve.

[Slycer]

I've seen that treasure coffer message with the stars also. Think it was on a tier II head run. Probably has something to do with head tier, just a visible confirmation on the effect? Has anyone seen that message on a run where they used a tier I head? Or is anyone 100% sure that they did NOT see that message on a run where they used higher than a tier I head?

They keep wavering on the requirements for Delve, but nothing in Matsui's clarification post today indicated that Skirmish was a requirement in any way. I doubt it will be required, especially considering only the leader even needs the Naakual KI. I think he was just suggesting that the weapons will be very helpful (if this is the case, though, the official site is pretty misleading and actually just incorrect).

[Slycer]

Cirdas I map (trying to get maps of every body tier/zone combination for the wiki). Based on the markup map above, looks like one of the ascension locations is missing in that little dead end room. Can anyone confirm that the pairs of monsters always spawn the same adds every time? Or are the groups of adds spawned random? Pretty sure they're constant (I've done 3 Cirdas runs), but not totally positive.

http://www.bg-wiki.com/images/4/4b/CirdasIMarkup.jpg

[mdkuser]

I've seen that treasure coffer message with the stars also. Think it was on a tier II head run. Probably has something to do with head tier, just a visible confirmation on the effect? Has anyone seen that message on a run where they used a tier I head? Or is anyone 100% sure that they did NOT see that message on a run where they used higher than a tier I head?

we had chest level 2 message in a rala I/torso I/leg I run.

[mdkuser]

Cirdas I map (trying to get maps of every body tier/zone combination for the wiki). Based on the markup map above, looks like one of the ascension locations is missing in that little dead end room. Can anyone confirm that the pairs of monsters always spawn the same adds every time? Or are the groups of adds spawned random? Pretty sure they're constant (I've done 3 Cirdas runs), but not totally positive.

http://www.bg-wiki.com/images/4/4b/CirdasIMarkup.jpg

there is 2 possible spots for noetic ascenssions in the room east of the clot, and south of rufescent bats.

[Slycer]

Whatever the chest level message is it can't be very important. The pool of possible items is extremely limited...maybe has some minor impact on stone quality or something? Can't be too significant, I would think the head tier is the primary deciding factor for what kind of stones you get. If someone ever gets/uses a tier V head we should have a better idea.

[Taruina]

Yesterday around bivouac #2 in Ceizak a Faithful's Torso I, appeared in my first green soul pyre.
Today, same area, around the bees to the east, I received another Faithful's Torso I.
I know it's most likely just a coincidence, but I thought it'd help to share.

[Therin]

Yesterday around bivouac #2 in Ceizak a Faithful's Torso I, appeared in my first green soul pyre.
Today, same area, around the bees to the east, I received another Faithful's Torso I.
I know it's most likely just a coincidence, but I thought it'd help to share.

I wasn't aware we could get skirmish items in Ceizak? But maybe I'm wrong. I always did my farming in Sih or Moh.