Do We Have A 'Silly Shit Politicians Say' Thread? If Not, Here We Are

[archibaldcrane]

Main jist of abortion availability problems stem from many people living hundreds or even a thousand miles from the nearest legal abortion provider (because unnecessary restrictions were put on which clinics can provide them so there's very few in many places), combined with medically unnecessary ultrasound requirements and/or waiting periods between exam and abortion.

Basically at best it's a huge pain in the ass for no reason, at worst it is too expensive for some to accomplish.

[hey]

Main jist of abortion availability problems stem from many people living hundreds or even a thousand miles from the nearest legal abortion provider (because unnecessary restrictions were put on which clinics can provide them so there's very few in many places), combined with medically unnecessary ultrasound requirements and/or waiting periods between exam and abortion.

Basically at best it's a huge pain in the ass for no reason, at worst it is too expensive for some to accomplish.

Which is great, because the people most screwed by this is the ones who really need access to it the most.

[Komm Suesser Tod]

I'm certainly not interested in learning about the social perception about anything because its nearly irrelevant when it comes to rights! The current state of abortion availability might be interesting to read a bit about but I'm not interested enough to read anything but the cliff's notes and that's what I'm looking for (but not from you because I don't think you're trustworthy.)

Social perception of abortion availability is incredibly important, as it tends to be much higher than the actual availability of abortion. This means people will support actions that will limit abortions under the belief that they are much easier and less costly to get than they actually are.

[Charismatic]

Someone who quantifies everything that they say with verifiable facts isn't trustworthy, news at 11. (Fox News, at that.)

If you want to come across as educated about a subject, you may want to invest more time into actually reading about it, and not relying on CliffsNotes.

lol'd at the bullshit bolded part of the post.
(I didn't forget about the time you called NCFM a 'hate group' due to being on the SPLC's list without looking at who donates the most the SPLC. Shoulda verified that. I can think of too many instances like this too.)

I have no intention of coming across as educated about the subject. I just had a question, this is why I didn't want you to respond. This is turning into an argument when I had nothing more than a simple question. I have no intention of arguing about anything abortion related, ever. Its simply not something that is important to me.

[wipers]

As long as they're able to substantiate what they're saying, I don't know why the source would matter.

That said, if you're interested in learning about the social perception and current state of abortion availability in the country, including plenty of history on the subject, no discussion should be necessary—you just need to have some time available for a lot of reading.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...3fa_fact_press

[Kohan]

lol'd at the bullshit bolded part of the post.
(I didn't forget about the time you called NCFM a 'hate group' due to being on the SPLC's list without looking at who donates the most the SPLC. Shoulda verified that. I can think of too many instances like this too.)

It's great that you can recall such things, but I and anyone else who regularly browses these forums knows that you used to regularly praise me and my posting at every other opportunity, which apparently ended only when I was able to thoroughly defeat a viewpoint you stubbornly want to believe nonetheless. Such discussions are nothing new for me, as I've participated in political talks here since well before this sub-forum existed. As for your about-face, I was not at all surprised; I've known you had an extremely shallow knowledge of social issues since our first conversation on these boards, which was in relation to gay rights, though I was disappointed to watch you devolve further over the years.

I suppose you were caught off-guard by this embarrassment, though, since beforehand, you openly wondered on various occasions why I wouldn't accept your friend requests on Facebook, and why I never cared for your interest—of course, I would not expect someone that gullible to have much insight nor general observational skills in relation to anything. After whatever obliviousness-born image you had of me was shattered, you attempted to discredit my statements with subject-themed insults, as if I were new to the material at hand, and had suddenly become a different person. Apparently, you are comfortable in knowing that your only confidants are mouth-breathers (and are fine with making awkward, try-hard political posts in spam that no one enjoys, largely because most of spam isn't populated by idiots)—I don't know what you expect to gain out of life with this, but everyone's entitled to their own poor decisions.

A similar event happened when you were displeased with Perm for engaging you on Facebook after your recent ventures into a few classes, after which you suddenly declared you held an entirely new viewpoint on economic matters, even though the amount of education you received was minimal. After he confidently revealed that you had less of an epiphany and more so made the mistake of merely gleaning material before declaring yourself a master of it, you acted as if he were disrespecting you by proving that wrong, when the reality was that he had tried to engage an unarmed person in intellectual discussion. You then asked him to refrain from posting on your FB topic with all of the maturity of a thirteen year-old girl.

Likewise, other posters, including Correction, have been utterly befuddled by your willful ignorance, the likes of which usually is not and will not be happily welcomed in discussions about serious subject matter. That, and all of the summarized posts above reflect what is in the article I provided you with. All of this is why I can laugh off your efforts of attempting to write off anyone as not being "trustworthy" when they're demonstrably smarter than you are.

I understand that you find actual education intimidating, and are comfortable in dismissing quantifiable data for the sake of being spoon-fed with something more digestible, but that is why your only supporters in any political discussions are among the dullest. However, because I do consider these topics incredibly important, I will always contribute to them with factual information, because your requests to make me refrain are absolutely meaningless in light of the big picture.

Accurate representation will always be more important than your delicate feelings.

[Abandon]

mother of god

[Charismatic]

Accurate representation will always be more important than your delicate feelings.

If that were the case, your post wouldn't be filled with such bullshit.

I didn't come here looking for an argument so I'm not going to sit here and refute this line by line but you don't know anything about the perm deal on my FB as you admittedly couldn't even see it, only a bit that was posted on BG and clearly didn't interpret it correctly (even after more context was given.)
So much for verifying your information, eh?

And lol @ openly wondered on various occasions about not being accepted, that's quite literally on the spot made up BS as is so much other info in the post. I also notice you didn't disagree with what I just said. You're just trying to go for the emotional haymaker all while saying you're about the facts.

Do as I say, not as I do, eh?
And you wonder why you can't be trusted.

[archibaldcrane]

Take this pathetic pissing contest to PM.

[Cream Soda]

My mom beat my uncle in a horizontal pissing contest when they were my age once

[wipers]

It's great that you can recall such things, but I and anyone else who regularly browses these forums knows that you used to regularly praise me and my posting at every other opportunity, which apparently ended only when I was able to thoroughly defeat a viewpoint you stubbornly want to believe nonetheless. Such discussions are nothing new for me, as I've participated in political talks here since well before this sub-forum existed. As for your about-face, I was not at all surprised; I've known you had an extremely shallow knowledge of social issues since our first conversation on these boards, which was in relation to gay rights, though I was disappointed to watch you devolve further over the years.

I suppose you were caught off-guard by this embarrassment, though, since beforehand, you openly wondered on various occasions why I wouldn't accept your friend requests on Facebook, and why I never cared for your interest—of course, I would not expect someone that gullible to have much insight nor general observational skills in relation to anything. After whatever obliviousness-born image you had of me was shattered, you attempted to discredit my statements with subject-themed insults, as if I were new to the material at hand, and had suddenly become a different person. Apparently, you are comfortable in knowing that your only confidants are mouth-breathers (and are fine with making awkward, try-hard political posts in spam that no one enjoys, largely because most of spam isn't populated by idiots)—I don't know what you expect to gain out of life with this, but everyone's entitled to their own poor decisions.

A similar event happened when you were displeased with Perm for engaging you on Facebook after your recent ventures into a few classes, after which you suddenly declared you held an entirely new viewpoint on economic matters, even though the amount of education you received was minimal. After he confidently revealed that you had less of an epiphany and more so made the mistake of merely gleaning material before declaring yourself a master of it, you acted as if he were disrespecting you by proving that wrong, when the reality was that he had tried to engage an unarmed person in intellectual discussion. You then asked him to refrain from posting on your FB topic with all of the maturity of a thirteen year-old girl.

Likewise, other posters, including Correction, have been utterly befuddled by your willful ignorance, the likes of which usually is not and will not be happily welcomed in discussions about serious subject matter. That, and all of the summarized posts above reflect what is in the article I provided you with. All of this is why I can laugh off your efforts of attempting to write off anyone as not being "trustworthy" when they're demonstrably smarter than you are.

I understand that you find actual education intimidating, and are comfortable in dismissing quantifiable data for the sake of being spoon-fed with something more digestible, but that is why your only supporters in any political discussions are among the dullest. However, because I do consider these topics incredibly important, I will always contribute to them with factual information, because your requests to make me refrain are absolutely meaningless in light of the big picture.

Accurate representation will always be more important than your delicate feelings.

My jimmies have been rustled. Also the feels man the feels.

[Meresgi]

I don't want to have this discussion with you at all though, so feel free to not respond to this post. I'd actually prefer that, pretty sure nothing useful would come of it.

It's like you saw into the future

[Gredival]

Birth control is definitely widely available.
I don't know anything about abortions other than...

There have been efforts to make birth control less available, such as attempts to put certain types of birth control behind the counter, attempts to place restrictions requiring purchasers be a certain age or have parental consent, etc.

The intended result is to discourage sexual activity. The actual result is that the embarrassment factor leads to dumb teenagers not practicing safe sex, and then when they do get pregnant, a slew of factors limiting access to abortion (including burdensome wait/ultrasound restrictions, requirements of parental consent, and geographic barriers with the closure of clinics) result in the inability to terminate the pregnancy by choice.

Combine this with a sex education system that teaches the only way to avoid pregnancy is to be abstinent (which people, especially teenagers, are NOT going to do), you end up with an epidemic where people least capable and suited to be raising children saddled with babies.

If you want to compare our current world to the hypothetical "ideal" world where reproductive rights are guaranteed, the basic idea is that people would be free to engage in consensual sex as they choose and would be free to divorce sex from pregnancy as they choose (whether preemptively through birth control, post-facto through abortion, etc.)

The so-called sexual revolution all stems from this idea - that sex and babies no longer have to be irrevocably linked. That sex can be something adults choose to engage in merely because they desire to do so and they shouldn't have to deal with possibility of a life altering pregnancy because of it. This is especially important for women as, biologically, they are the ones that have to bear the brunt of the consequences when a child is conceived. That's why we talk of the historical link between birth control and upward mobility for women.

[notorious bum]

Only willful ignorance(and/or religious lunacy) can explain anyone disagreeing with the above post in 20-fucking-14.

[Draginhikari]

The final stupid thing about that situation is that same people who preach about the birth control, abortion, sex education, etc are also the same people who also do not want welfare programs and other social safety nets to assist those that have been put into that situation because of their effort.

The reality is it seems like a lot of them don't actually care about their Pro-Life messages, it seems to be more about punishing people for sex period. According to these people if you have sex you must get pregenent, you must carry the child, you must raise that child even if it completely destroys your life and the child's life at the same time.

[Meresgi]

That sex can be something adults choose to engage in merely because they desire to do so

But Jesus totally told us that we shouldn't do that, and by Jesus I mean Reagan. If you do things for fun, like sex, then the entire human species will stop existing in just a few years. Scientists have proven this, well at least the ones we paid have.

Was actually listening to the Repub radio talkshow today during lunch, because I love to laugh at it, and they were talking about this. And how demos just want to kill ALL the babies blah blah blah.

Also had some guy call in and say min wage shouldn't exist, because then companies would pay us MORE then what min wage is currently to try to get us to work for them!!

[quannum]

The final stupid thing about that situation is that same people who preach about the birth control, abortion, sex education, etc are also the same people who also do not want welfare programs and other social safety nets to assist those that have been put into that situation because of their effort.

The reality is it seems like a lot of them don't actually care about their Pro-Life messages, it seems to be more about punishing people for sex period. According to these people if you have sex you must get pregenent, you must carry the child, you must raise that child even if it completely destroys your life and the child's life at the same time.

The moral message is to mask the political goal.

For much of the 20th century, Baptists and other evangelical Christians were prominent in political activism for Sunday closing laws restricting the sale of alcohol. Bootleggers sold alcohol illegally, and got more business if legal sales were restricted.[1] “Such a coalition makes it easier for politicians to favor both groups. … [T]he Baptists lower the costs of favor-seeking for the bootleggers, because politicians can pose as being motivated purely by the public interest even while they promote the interests of well-funded businesses. … [Baptists] take the moral high ground, while the bootleggers persuade the politicians quietly, behind closed doors.”[3]

boardwalk empire applied to birth control/abortion basically.

[Pirian]

Has this been posted/mentioned?



Another possibly interesting side effect of reproductive freedom

[Kohan]

And you wonder why you can't be trusted.

No, not in the least—I'm quite confident in the quality of company that I keep, and with the level of knowledge that I hold. There will always be new things to learn, though, and in the meantime, progress can't be had if ignorance is left to fester.

The final stupid thing about that situation is that same people who preach about the birth control, abortion, sex education, etc are also the same people who also do not want welfare programs and other social safety nets to assist those that have been put into that situation because of their effort.

The reality is it seems like a lot of them don't actually care about their Pro-Life messages, it seems to be more about punishing people for sex period. According to these people if you have sex you must get pregenent, you must carry the child, you must raise that child even if it completely destroys your life and the child's life at the same time.

That, and the people who provide abortion and birth control services are labeled murderers; thus, "an eye for an eye" can—according to the logic of the most radical anti-abortionists—be applied to them fairly. Threatening doctors with death—and in some cases, seeing it through—is a fine way to celebrate life, is it not?

[Meresgi]

Has this been posted/mentioned?



Another possibly interesting side effect of reproductive freedom

I like the end where they speak about how women, even if they have an abortion, will still go on usually to have children if they wanted children. It's not like abortion ever stops would-be parents from being parents, it just gives them the ability to say "I can't provide for a child right now, I will wait until I can".

One of my friends had an abortion, because they were barely into their 20's when they got knocked up, and decided they couldn't have a child while working a minimum wage job at 25hrs a week. Now I see them on facebook, 8yrs later, and they have 3 kids, a good job, are married, etc etc.