Naakual - Notes, Strategies, confirmed drops~

[Damane]

My KIs are 85k on my main, 90k on my mule and I always use 3 imprimaturs unless I feel like burning left overs. So doesn't matter what way you spend them. It does seem like you need to do at least 1 assignment in each coalition to get the initial reduction, unless someone can verify they have gotten it without doing so. Unsure if quests matter, if so they must be very specific. I'm guessing the only reason my mule is still 90k is because he's about a weeks worth of imps behind my main at this point.

have gotten the 1. reduction without haveing assingments done on each coalition.

[dasva]

Yeah I got a reduction with only doing 2 different coaltions

[Hitou]

Hmm, guess it is quests then besides just imps spent. Anyone gotten a reduction without doing "A thirst for the ages" ?

[Vathris]

My KIs are 90K and i havent done a thirst for the ages.

[Hitou]

I'm at a loss then. Noodles said he's only missing that quest from the list my mule has done and he's still at 100k KIs. While my mule is at 90k.

[Byrthnoth]

Could it be the number of unique Coalition quests you have done?

[Sechs]

Burned some more imprimaturs, did one different assignment and now I'm at 85k.
I'm not sure if I'm at 200Imprimaturs spent, but I might be.

Pioneers => Contributor
Inventors => Contributor
Scouts => disciple (very close to contributor, like 3-6 impri away)
Couriers => Probationeer
Mummers => Petitioneer
Peacekeepers => Petitioneer

I still think it's a 5k reduction every 50 imprimaturs (after the first 50, which count for the mission/cutscene unlock), but of course there has to be another pre-requisite to benefit this reduction.

[Kaisha]

KI price for me dropped to 90k after checking NPC again after ranking up once more. (all SoA quests done, and I ignored some Coalition missions due to laziness)

Current coalition standings -
Rank 4 - Courier
Rank 3 - Inventors, Scout

7 total rank ups, 190 primps used.

[Sechs]

Number of imprimaturs spent => amount of reduction. Formula is 5k every 50imprimaturs spent (after the first 50 which do not count)
Fame/Rank/Quests done => requirement for the game to apply the above reductions

That's it imho.

[noodles355]

Number of imprimaturs spent => amount of reduction. Formula is 5k every 50imprimaturs spent (after the first 50 which do not count)
Fame/Rank/Quests done => requirement for the game to apply the above reductions

That's it imho.

Yeah, you've been trying to say it's that for fucking ages whilst completely ignoring the fact I have significantly more quests done than you and have used over 100 imps.

[Kaisha]

Number of imprimaturs spent => amount of reduction. Formula is 5k every 50imprimaturs spent (after the first 50 which do not count)
Fame/Rank/Quests done => requirement for the game to apply the above reductions

That's it imho.

But it doesn't follow what I just reported, and I've been counting my primps usage since SoA started.

[Sechs]

It does, it is coherent imho.
The reduction is calculated according to imprimaturs, 50 imp > 5k.
But this reduction is not automatically applied, to apply it there are other conditions, other requirements. If you don't meet these requirements you won't see the reduction, even if you "gained" the right for a reduction through imprimaturs.


I don't know what this secondary requirement is, but judging from what people has reported I'd dare to say it's something connected somehow to coalition ranks and adoulin fame maybe.
Maybe there are multiple ways to reach this second requirement.
Like "be rank 4 in a coalition OR rank 3 in two coalitions OR ...". This was just a silly example of course, but it might be the case that there are multiple ways to fulfill this secondary requirement.

[noodles355]

This was just a silly example of course,

So what's a non-retarded example then?

Because if the condition is "you must be certain ranks in certain coalitions" then that obviously contradicts your "every 50 imps after the first 50" as you need to spend over 100 imps to rank up to any significant level. And I have proved already it is not 100 imps worth of rank ups.

We know it's not number of quests done, or specific quests done.
We know it's not number of assignments done (3imps vs 1imp).
We know it's not number of different assignments done (vs spamming the same one over and over).
We know it's not having previously killed a naakuaal.

What's the current max fame level? 3? or 4? What's fame-checker's message for that?

[Taim Meich]

Max fame IIRC is 3, but probably you can still get fame points at least to the amount you'd need for the next rank. And maybe, maybe not, that extra fame is related to the KI reduction (which I doubt).

BTW, I got my 85k KI when I was:

- Rank 4 in Pioneers, Scouts and Couriers.
- Rank 1 in the rest, but had done at least one assignment on each coalition. Now I'm leveling Inventors, currently Disciple.
- All but 4 quests done (now I'm 42/42). Repeated the "Cafe.. teria" one at least once.
- Only one Nakuaal clear, got my first discount before fighting it.

Aaaand... That's all, I think.

[noodles355]

I'm tempted to go do one assignment from the remaining coalitions tonight see if anything changed.

[Byrthnoth]

I have 90k still and completed the last remaining quest. If I get time tonight, I will burn a bunch of imps on novel Ops and see if number of unique ops matters. People started posting 85k KIs long enough ago that I must meet the pure "number used" requirement by now.

[Sechs]

So what's a non-retarded example then?

How about you stop being so aggressive, for a starter?

as you need to spend over 100 imps to rank up to any significant level.

I don't get what you mean.
You rank up every 20 imprimaturs spent on the same coalition.
The current max rank (Contributor) is obtained after 60 imprimaturs.
Using a lot of imprimaturs doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna get lots of rank ups, according to how you spread them.
Also we don't know what happens if you keep spending imprimaturs on the same coalition even after you've reached the current max rank.

What I'm saying is that I'm seeing it on myself and on other people posting here too, I'm getting a reduction every ~50 imprimaturs spent. This sounds "right" to me because it gets "confirmed" with every new 50 impri I or other people spend. Want to bet in 50 more impri I'll be at 80k? It also sounds very well streamlined with previous requirements of the expansion (the 50 needed to get the dinner cut-scene)

Still, other people are spending similar amounts of imprimaturs but aren't getting the reduction.
This brought me to the previously mentioned hypothesys that indeed, 50>5k is correct, but it doesn't get applied unless you also meet another additional requirement, which appearently some of us fulfilled and some others didn't.
This additional requirement could be linked to several factors actually, more than just one.


@Taim Meich
Supposing you can store "fame" even above the current max level, I doubt it's the only factor at play here, because some people have performed more quests than other and hence should have more "hidden fame" than others, but still they're not receiving the reduction. Which is for instance the example of me vs Noodles. He did over 30 quests while I did 21. (supposing all of the quests give the same amount of fame, which is not necessarily the case maybe)
I share a lot with your situation

• ~200 Imprimaturs spent
• 21 quests done, never repeated any, Fame lv3
• 1 Naakual killed (got my first reduction before I fought him)
• ~12 different assignments, more than 1 in each coalition (need to double check this, might be a bit higher now)
• Rank4 in Pioneers, Inventors
• Rank3 in Scouts (very close to 4)
• Rank2 in Couriers
• Rank1 in Peacekeepers/Mummers

[Sechs]

As for the additional "requirement" I talked about earlier, maybe we should give up the idea that it's a single factor, maybe it's several factors at the same time.

Let's imagine an internal hidden "counter". You need to gather the threshold of say 40 "hidden points" to make so the game actually applies the reduction you "gain" from the 50impri thing.
Now imagine that several actions that you perform in Adoulin give different amount of points.
Completing Missions > 10 points
Rank 3 fame > 10 points
Rank 4 in a coalition > 10 (stacks with multiple coalitions)
Rank 3 in a coalition > 5 points
Something else > 10 points

This is just an example of course, but it could explain the difference in the reports we've seen so far. People would have triggered that "threshold" going different routes.

[Devinry]

Slight divergence from the Imprimatur conversation, but still Naakual related:

What would the minimum reasonable "low man" setup be for a Wildskeeper Reive (preferably Achuka)? I've heard that they can all be held pretty much indefinitely by a WHM and Aegis/Ochain PLD, but what kind of support and DDs would be needed to avoid fighting for an absurd/unreasonable amount of time?

[Taim Meich]

At the current Colonization rate, Nakuaals are sadly back to the "toss CORs at them" phase, at least in Ragnarok. One or two competent Paladins should be able to hold Achuka without much problems, provided decent healers, too.

I think we might see a resurgence of Nakuaal fights once the price reduction comes up, beacause, so far, I think most people are saving up their Bayld for that moment. I know I am.