Naakual - Notes, Strategies, confirmed drops~

[Fwahm]

Hurkan and Yumcax were nerfed too, and Kumhau was implemented at a similar level of difficulty.

[dasva]

Yeah, and abilities have been added. We just did Hurkan in 5 minutes. I did over 100k damage on SMN using the new SP2.

Ha and I was reading on the OF someone saying they needed to boost it because bst sp2 was better lol

[Byrthnoth]

Yeaaaah, not really. 7.7-9k Heavenly Strikes against Hurkan. I could get at least another 70 pet MAB from Skirmish v2 augments, I think.

[Taim Meich]

Yeah, and abilities have been added. We just did Hurkan in 5 minutes. I did over 100k damage on SMN using the new SP2.

Wow, I'm speechless. Does the thing not kill your avatars at all? Or do that FU thunder area move that basically only Aegis PLDs and RUNs survived?

[S N K]

I was talking more along the lines of weapons from the skill list tab, not job's weapons since alot of them repeat or don't have jobs, blu is on sword/club, war has it's own GA and still gets GS, but no Axe and there's 2 of them. I know COR doesn't gets it's own weapon, but the weapon for "Marksmanship" is there, it's not even a gun, but it's in the form for an xbow. Katana seems to be the only weapon to not have a WKR version.

I'm pretty sure the 7th and final Naakuul with have that weapon. Makes sense in a way considering the last one will probably also be Dark and Light in some sense.

[Byrthnoth]

New SMN SP2 is 30 seconds of 0 BP recast (and full MP). BP -> BP spam x6~7 -> BP. Your avatar doesn't have to survive very long to do a shitton of damage. My avatar will certainly die if he uses Static Prison, but Shiva can survive anything else and he doesn't get many TP choices in 30 seconds. I'd have done more than 100k damage, but people moved Hurkan around and he followed it up with Static Prison, which killed off my Shiva about 15 seconds into my second round of Astral Conduit.

Quick math shows that a better summoner (even without Nirvana, if it's better) could do about 9.5k BPs consistently on him. You're looking at about 85k of near-hateless damage in 30 seconds. Not sure why, Avatar BPs basically don't ever pull hate even when you dump out 50k damage in 30 seconds. I've only seen my avatars get swung at a handful of times and the Wildskeepers all have AoE melee attacks. Based on the way they run around, I'm pretty sure there aren't any melees on them consistently holding hate through damage. They just don't seem to give a shit about avatars. I would bet that Avatar Enmity from merit BPs is based on pre-MAB (and possibly pre-BP+%) damage, similar to elemental WSs. So it sees my 8k BPs as 2.2k BPs (+220 Avatar MAB, +15% BP damage).

[Fwahm]

Wow, I'm speechless. Does the thing not kill your avatars at all? Or do that FU thunder area move that basically only Aegis PLDs and RUNs survived?

Hurkan's MACC, MAB, or both have been severely nerfed. Prepatch, my RDM would get oneshotted by Static Prison, and take tons of damage from things like Reverberating Cry, but now nothing Hurkan does (magically) does more than ~100 (Static Prison) with Barthunder up.

[dasva]

Yeaaaah, not really. 7.7-9k Heavenly Strikes against Hurkan. I could get at least another 70 pet MAB from Skirmish v2 augments, I think.

Yeah theoretically you can get around 150 total on skirmish armor.

Not sure why, Avatar BPs basically don't ever pull hate even when you dump out 50k damage in 30 seconds. I've only seen my avatars get swung at a handful of times and the Wildskeepers all have AoE melee attacks. Based on the way they run around, I'm pretty sure there aren't any melees on them consistently holding hate through damage. They just don't seem to give a shit about avatars. I would bet that Avatar Enmity from merit BPs is based on pre-MAB (and possibly pre-BP+%) damage, similar to elemental WSs. So it sees my 8k BPs as 2.2k BPs (+220 Avatar MAB, +15% BP damage).

See I find this odd because I'm almost always on pld for these and if they don't release avatars always pull hate off me way before the whms do. And have even seen them stay on a few avatars while I spam my jas and spells. Though usually once they take solid dmg it comes back to me. I'd imagine the relatively low hp of avatars might help them shed hate faster too

[Byrthnoth]

Well, I only have feet from the Hagondes set augmented with Pet MAB +10. I have Spurrina Gages, AF3+2 legs, AF3+2 body, and Bokwus Circlet though. So head could get a 15-20 MAB straight upgrade. Feet could also get a straight 15 MAB upgrade if I got a better augment. Ear could go to Esper Earring for +3% BP damage. Hands could drop 5% BP damage for 25 MAB, which would be kind of half-assedly worth it after the other swaps. Legs would be 40 TP Bonus for 25 MAB, which might not even be worth it. I'd basically gain the equivalent of 40 pet MAB and 3% BP damage. ~15% damage increase. 8000*1.15 = 9200

I'm not really sure why my avatars don't take hate, but they don't seem to.

[Vlorsutes]

See I find this odd because I'm almost always on pld for these and if they don't release avatars always pull hate off me way before the whms do. And have even seen them stay on a few avatars while I spam my jas and spells. Though usually once they take solid dmg it comes back to me. I'd imagine the relatively low hp of avatars might help them shed hate faster too

I'll throw Titan out at him, who is capable of taking basically all his attacks without taking much damage, and even after a full Astral Conduit with Geocrushes doing ~6k damage a piece (1/5 in it), he'll still ignore my Titan in favor of a Blm who's thrown a couple Stones at it.

Likewise, as both Byrth and I have experienced, something as simple as casting Blink or Refresh on yourself can pull hate off your Avatar after it's dropped a good 8k nuke on a mob, even before it's done any appreciable damage to the avatar.

[Sechs]

Haven't tried extensively in WKRs but in WoE (mainly #13) a couple of melee hits from Garuda or Ifrit (normally 1 hit) were normally enough for me to use the first BP Rage without the mob heading to me before it hits.
Once it hit my avatar had enough enmity to allow me casting SSkin and even several debuffs (Para, dia2, poison2, slow) on the target without me taking hate.

So yeah, my experience is pretty different. Altough my damages weren't as high as you people report, which is strange, my gearset is not that awesome but not that bad either
Balsam Staff/SMN grip/ Dashvatara
Hago / AF3 / Gifted / ---
AF3+2 / Hago / fervor / evoker
--- / caller's / AF3+2 / Hago

The augments on my hago are:
Head: Mab+23
Hands: Mab+16
Feet: Macc+10

Not what I was aiming for, but didn't have the time to waste more gil on Stones, for the time being.
And yes Legs kinda suck on physical BPs.
My damages in WoE were normally around 3-5k (more 3k than 5k...) with some occasional ~7kspike which I have no clue what it depended on, maybe AF3+2 set proc?
Numbers were especially random with Ifrit's Flaming Crush, sometimes it would hit for 12k... while normally it was around ~4k


Do WKR take that much more damage? Last time I used SMN in WKR was before Yorcia Skirmish came out and my damage wasn't that huge tbh. Didn't have Balsam staff either back then.

[Vlorsutes]

Haven't tried extensively in WKRs but in WoE (mainly #13) a couple of melee hits from Garuda or Ifrit (normally 1 hit) were normally enough for me to use the first BP Rage without the mob heading to me before it hits.
Once it hit my avatar had enough enmity to allow me casting SSkin and even several debuffs (Para, dia2, poison2, slow) on the target without me taking hate.

So yeah, my experience is pretty different. Altough my damages weren't as high as you people report, which is strange, my gearset is not that awesome but not that bad either
Balsam Staff/SMN grip/ Dashvatara
Hago / AF3 / Gifted / ---
AF3+2 / Hago / fervor / evoker
--- / caller's / AF3+2 / Hago

The augments on my hago are:
Head: Mab+23
Hands: Mab+16
Feet: Macc+10

Not what I was aiming for, but didn't have the time to waste more gil on Stones, for the time being.
And yes Legs kinda suck on physical BPs.
My damages in WoE were normally around 3-5k (more 3k than 5k...) with some occasional ~7kspike which I have no clue what it depended on, maybe AF3+2 set proc?
Numbers were especially random with Ifrit's Flaming Crush, sometimes it would hit for 12k... while normally it was around ~4k


Do WKR take that much more damage? Last time I used SMN in WKR was before Yorcia Skirmish came out and my damage wasn't that huge tbh. Didn't have Balsam staff either back then.

On Hurkan, which has been at 100% Col. rate for a good while now, I'll get up to 11k or so with 300% TP Geocrushes, and I've had a few 16k ones from set bonus procs as well, but even with hits like that and the fact that Hurkan can't do any appreciable damage to him, Hurkan will just basically ignore him and go around to the random BLM or COR there doing significantly less damage.

It might be something related to enmity in Adoulin areas. If it were just in WKR I'd assume it was just there, but as mentioned before, I was having issues with it elsewhere. Kamihr, Morimar, etc, I've had issues of pulling hate with any random buff on myself right after a large BP has went off on the mob.

[Sechs]

Still surprised that content as old as WoE is make me do less damage than a 100% WKR lol

[dasva]

I'd imagine they didn't add much in the way of mdb/def and regular dt given the fact the wkr already get so much dt or can

[Draylo]

I'm not really sure why my avatars don't take hate, but they don't seem to.

They could have coded it like Besieged. Last I remember they had some update note saying that avatars and pets wont hold attention of mobs for long in Besieged.

[Lyramion]

So my impressions for Kumhau are:

- Stick an Aegis PLD on it.
- Stunning Glass Nova (Full Dispel, All Stats -93) only should not build too much resist till the fight is done. Spamming stun will get resists from 50% on around.
- If Glass Nova gets through 1 Healer immediatly Re-Shell PLD and other cure


Is that about right?

Other than the "Just nuke it everyone and let it run circles for hours killing everyone" my server currently seems to apply out of JP prime.

[Sechs]

Stupid question about resists but shouldn't the rate "reset" if the monsters resets as well? I.e. if it goes back to its normal pathing, with zero enmity towards anyone? His health won't go up anyway, so even if that happens you could just make it "reset" by wiping everyone?

[Lyramion]

Stupid question about resists but shouldn't the rate "reset" if the monsters resets as well? I.e. if it goes back to its normal pathing, with zero enmity towards anyone? His health won't go up anyway, so even if that happens you could just make it "reset" by wiping everyone?

Like that's gonna happen lol Lion and it's adds aren't strong enough to wipe everyone at the same time like Yumcax. Most if not all it's AOE are only 10" also.

[Sechs]

Hhmmm point taken. You could try to tell people to stop with /SH but then there would always be those not listening.

[dasva]

Yeah idk about your server but we got real dumbasses over here. I once saw a yumcax wipe that took over an hour to complete because people kept getting up and running it back to where people were resting for an hour.