Enforcement Actions in Boston

[Day]

He wasn't in the perimeter they set, how is that not a mistake? Are you saying they intentionally set a perimeter where he wasn't? lol

Hindsight is 20/20. Sounded to me like he was in a perimeter they deemed clear per JMC's update. As in it was somewhere they were going door to door and didn't find him... cause he was T-pain'd in the boat.

Also why would anyone refuse the search? Pro-tip, don't have a meth lab and you wont get caught.

[archibaldcrane]

Also why would anyone refuse the search?

How many times do we have to do this?

[archibaldcrane]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/22...d-in-stroller/
http://cupertino.patch.com/articles/...ooting-suspect
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/11/news/mn-64625

Just a few, and let me tell you its a bitch searching for them right now because all you get is Boston till 40 or so pages back in google.

Door to door != exigent circumstances/search without probable cause or permission

[Day]

How many times do we have to do this?

Until you get it through your thick skull I guess?

[Xajii]

REASONS TO REFUSE A SEARCH:

- You are harboring the suspect of your own volition
- You are a hostage of the suspect and fear death should you comply with officer requests

These seem... relevant.

[Day]

Door to door != exigent circumstances/search without probable cause or permission

Don't see how any of these are any different than what just happened in Boston. I'm about done here though, you guys continue arguing about your rights being violated when you're a thousand miles from Boston. Hit me up when a nig nog is running through your town with bombs and shit, or let me know when you take it to the supreme court or whatever you guys are planning on doing about it.

[Day]

REASONS TO REFUSE A SEARCH:

- You are harboring the suspect of your own volition
- You are a hostage of the suspect and fear death should you comply with officer requests

These seem... relevant.

Don't they though?

[archibaldcrane]

Don't see how any of these are any different than what just happened in Boston.

The difference is that in Boston they were conducting forced-entry searches without probable cause or permission.

But you know that is the difference, so why would you ask that?

[Jeryhn]

I'm just waiting for this thread to reach the point of hey saying he'd choke out terrorist pukes if they snuck into his house and still told the cops to fuck off with their searches before we stop running ourselves into circles with this argument.

[Tarage]

I can't believe people are still arguing about this.

[archibaldcrane]

REASONS TO REFUSE A SEARCH:

- You are harboring the suspect of your own volition
- You are a hostage of the suspect and fear death should you comply with officer requests

or if you know he's not in your house so you don't want a bunch of cops wasting their time going through your shit, guns drawn, getting ready to pull one of these on the first caucasian they find:

http://www.gunssavelife.com/wp-conte...lLAPDzoom1.jpg

[Xajii]

No, I agree, but what I said was in the interest of pointing out that consented door-to-door searches are pretty weird, and only really account for the minimal chance that the dude is hiding in your home without your knowledge.

For the instances I mentioned above, I would hope that this information would be gleaned through other means, but it may not be; I still don't find it reasonable to employ forced entry searches just because of that.If someone was willing to harbor him that person would probably come up on research, and if someone was being held hostage someone would notice something's up sooner or later.

But hey, now we're getting into the cost of one life vs. the privacy of many, etc etc

[Jeryhn]

To be fair, the LAPD generally has a shoot-first and hopefully-no-one-will-ask-too-many-questions-later policy in place. Pretty sure.

Also, its a pretty bad analogy. In that situation, they were looking for a black guy and ended up shooting up two Asian women. I wouldn't be too worried about being Caucasian in Watertown.

Which is about the status quo, really.

[Blubbartron]

Ignore this, Xajii's newer post clued me in that I misunderstood his intent.

REASONS TO REFUSE A SEARCH:

- You have young children and would rather keep them safe and calm
- You have a small home and/or lots of family living in your home making it effectively impossible for someone to get in undetected
- You just don't feel like having a bunch of people invade your home

Also, see my previous post about the "nothing to hide" argument. The ironic thing here is that people don't need a reason to refuse letting people in their home. The cops need a reason to search it.

[Helm]

Won't somebody please think of the children?

[Callisto]

REASONS TO REFUSE A SEARCH:

- You are harboring the suspect of your own volition
- You are a hostage of the suspect and fear death should you comply with officer requests

These seem... relevant.

yeah but remember the problem is that hypothetically if someone refused the search the cops would shoot them because they had their guns drawn so then either you get shot by the suspect holding you hostage or you get shot by the cop so it's a pretty big catch-22

[Acevalefor]

Regarding helicopter surveillance;

This is an aerial view of my neighborhood. There are 3 houses in the cluster of trees that cannot be seen from the air. This is one block in the Portland area. There are hundreds of thousands of trees like this in and around the city. Aerial surveillance is not really an option around here. The Northeast is just as bad.

The rest of the thread is nothing but an argument going round and round in circles.

[Tarage]

or if you know he's not in your house so you don't want a bunch of cops wasting their time going through your shit, guns drawn, getting ready to pull one of these on the first caucasian they find:

Unfair comparison and you know it. The LAPD was pants on head retarded. The Boston Police were not.

[archibaldcrane]

Unfair comparison and you know it. The LAPD was pants on head retarded. The Boston Police were not.

Well, a bunch of officers opened fire on the kid in the boat, who apparently did not fire and was not even armed...so...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-himself.html

[Ksandra]

Dangerous people are on the loose all the fucking time. It's a thin, thin line. Hell, plenty of people who have killed as many as those guys did - and plenty who've killed many more - are loose, but cops aren't busting down doors. Just because it was a high profile "act of terror", all of a sudden it's okay to

If the police think there's a murderer running around on my street, then you're damn right I'm all for them going into houses to try and catch the person. I got nothing to hide in my house. I honestly do not get any of these "reasons" why a cop should be denied entry when they're looking for a killer.

The difference is that in Boston they were conducting forced-entry searches without probable cause or permission.

Pretty sure it's been said time and time again the homeowners gave the cops permission. Stop living in a bubbleland of what you want to imagine what happened vs. what actually happened.

or if you know he's not in your house so you don't want a bunch of cops wasting their time going through your shit, guns drawn, getting ready to pull one of these on the first caucasian they find:

http://www.gunssavelife.com/wp-conte...lLAPDzoom1.jpg

They shot that car inside a house? god damn they must have glass ceilings in their living room with that kind of sunny light.

Regarding helicopter surveillance;

This is an aerial view of my neighborhood. There are 3 houses in the cluster of trees that cannot be seen from the air. This is one block in the Portland area. There are hundreds of thousands of trees like this in and around the city. Aerial surveillance is not really an option around here. The Northeast is just as bad.

I think Archi has effectively proven he needs to go on vacation, as he knows complete dick of what a green countryside looks like.


[edit] he probably thinks the roads are straight and parallel in the North East too....LOL


[edit #2] This made me think of when my husband came to meet me for the first time in CT. He was joke-panicking the whole week whenever we drove anywhere saying "HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE AREN'T PEOPLE BEING MURDERED AND BURIED IN THE WOODS?"