DAT Mining 4/29/2013 (DISCUSSION)

[Modoru]

Someone posted earlier about getting this zip hosted online somewhere, can anybody do that?

I can't even start to patch >.<

http://www.mediafire.com/?pw1sfuy1e1ot5v4

[solracht]

Pretty obvious I think. Their intention with the expansion is to make every single player buy it and start enjoying the new content rather than doing stuff introduced years ago. (This makes SE the most money, obviously.)

Mission accomplished.

Implying getting into skirmish is enjoyable, lol

Or getting 100k bayld per Naakual kill, for that matter. Sorry, 95k now I guess

[Damane]

I need to do a sincere moghouse spring cleaning and sort everything out that is basicly getting dust or is way overdue to go overboard lol

[D44kpunk]

don't throw away your r/m/e's, bros

[Sechs]

Ehr... I didn't see the weapons.
The fook?
Because the Naakuals ones already released weren't enough appearently. Tlalpoloani's +74 damage wasn't enough, they had to add a +146 weapon.
How... how...
Uh...
I dunno, I'm confused.

[Damane]

don't throw away your r/m/e's, bros

nah just gear in general

btw anyone notice that all the new rare/ex weapons are following the Empy/Relic weapon base jobs on them, with the ecxetpion of staff and club? The rare/ex bow is even RNG/SAM

[Malithar]

Feels like Skirmish was a bait and switch at this point. Even the very best augmented weapons we've seen don't even compare to any of this. inb4 you need obsidian shards for something to even do Delve, requiring everyone to still do Skirmish just to completely invalidate the weapons from it. XD

[Therin]

Really hoping Phos +1 is needed for the new Haste +10% belt..........

I hope you know you're probably the only person out of all 100,000+ people playing this game that wants that.

Implying getting into skirmish is enjoyable, lol

Or getting 100k bayld per Naakual kill, for that matter. Sorry, 95k now I guess

Pro-tip: Getting into Skirmish will be a joke once everyone (literally everyone, rather than 10% of the server) is doing Adoulin content and the market is flooded with entry items.

And way to be Mr. Negativity with your Naakual comment. I'm sure the adjustment will be more significant than that, and again, with EVERYONE doing Adoulin getting bayld is going to be an utter joke as well.

[NightScope2142]

This is faster gear grind then wow. Naakual/skrimish gear got outclasses before most people could even try the content. The new BCNMs are probably going to be AV tier hard or SE has just gave up at this point and let someone who knows nothing about the game run it.

[Jem]

They can still build a steady progression from here on out. It's not like this is the last set of gear every introduced. For what all that matters, this is basically the new starting point for the game. I'm sure the R/E/M buff will bring those weapons into the 200+ DMG realm too (assuming those are REAL stats and not something SE is doing as a joke), eventually.

It isn't the fact that they beat R/E/M, that's not an issue at all. It's the gap they beat them by. It means if you don't have those weapons, you may as well not bother.

It would be like someone using a level 20-30 weapon or something against a Relic for events now. The person with the low level weapon may as well not bother engaging. So if those weapons are obtainable but not easily obtainable then it renders a massive amount of the player base useless.

Putting them 5-10% ahead of existing weapons would have been a decent base to work from and have shit get better from there. Putting them like 30-40% ahead is crazy.

[Damane]

I hope you know you're probably the only person out of all 100,000+ people playing this game that wants that.

I hope really not

now this would have been a perfect time to add the next step to the Blackbelt upgrade quest lol. 10% haste belt is comeing really close to BB

[AnnaMolly]

Nah, Skirmish is low man shit, obsolete, all the cool kids are in Delve, anything less than 200 dmg on a DD class weapon is worthless, nice toy though, bro. Is that one of those "relic" things? Three months? For that? I bought this beaut' on AH, took 45 seconds.

[Rocl]

Gnatbane is 10hp/tic poison, not instant death btw.

[Evilvicious]

i almost bought a phos +1 20 mins before servers went down , i am glad i went afk and passed out.

[Khary]

Crafted weapons, with 100+ dmg over relics. Just a straight up "fuck your mouth" to every REM. Beautiful. *falls on his own bravura*

But doesn't quite die, cause it doesn't do enough damage. Sorry I had to lolololol

[Damane]

I just hope they made Legion/PW craft items drop like candy in delve, otherwise getting a HQ legion abjuration done is worthless tbh ¬.¬

[Gwynplaine]

Feels like Skirmish was a bait and switch at this point. Even the very best augmented weapons we've seen don't even compare to any of this. inb4 you need obsidian shards for something to even do Delve, requiring everyone to still do Skirmish just to completely invalidate the weapons from it. XD

Seems to me like Skirmish is more like a way to add another option get people "caught up" to the level of weapons they would need to be doing Delve effectively. Like, "okay you need to be at least up to point X with your gear to do this event, so if you still don't have R/M/E then here's one more shot."

[Byrthnoth]

What makes you think they care? There's wide swathes of zone after zone nobody bothers with because they're no longer relevant save for the occasional Abyssea pop. This gets people out of the candy-store that was Abyssea and into the new expansion(s) from now on, which means it's going to be relevant content the way the current devs like it.

Err... because doing that would make FFXI a single-event MMO instead of building off its long history of content? There'd be almost no reason to do anything not required for Delve. FFXI pre-Adoulin of the following repeatable events:
* Dynamis - For farming Relic (weapons, armors, +2 augments)
* Limbus - For farming AF+1 upgrades, Homam/Nashira gear (to upgrade), and Neo-Limbus gear
* Einherjar - For farming Ampuoles (for Mythics) and pretending Odin v2 drops are worth the terrible fight
* Assault - So you can enter Salvage
* Salvage - For farming Level 99 Salvage armors (and Alexandrite for Mythics, and level 75 gear to upgrade)
* ZNM - So you can make/upgrade a Mythic
* Nyzul Isle - For level 99 armors and tokens to make a Mythic.
* Legion - For farming the few worthwhile Legion drops and synthesis items
* BCNMs of all flavors - For drops that are still worth gil

I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but the point is that we were still doing a decade worth of content. Making R/M/Es worthless with these new weapons both changes the economic outlook of FFXI (making it much harder for an average-Joe to farm gil) and removes major motivations for Dynamis, Assault, Salvage, ZNM, Nyzul Isle, and Einherjar. The other equipment options further depreciate the gear offered by Legion, Salvage, and Neo-NI.

I see such huge content reserves (many of them recently re-worked) as FFXI's primary market advantage. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they actually abandoned it all, which means either Delve will be incredibly exclusive/have incredibly low drop rates, they've got more changes planned, they're trolling us, or all of the above.

[chichicha]

Did they update the wrong patch?
Update 2015 patch instead of 2013 ?
Weapon DMG went ridiculos high lol

[solracht]

Pro-tip: Getting into Skirmish will be a joke once everyone (literally everyone, rather than 10% of the server) is doing Adoulin content and the market is flooded with entry items.

Unless they add more pyres per area, doubtful.

Also I don't know about you, but as a returning player, my only steady source of income was currency/alexandrite. Not going to be able to reliably get into Skirmish anymore if those tank, and they probably will thanks to the 200 damage weapons.

And way to be Mr. Negativity with your Naakual comment. I'm sure the adjustment will be more significant than that, and again, with EVERYONE doing Adoulin getting bayld is going to be an utter joke as well.

Where's your god now?

My bayld per hour was also really bad last week with 50+ people in Morimar and Ceizak because mobs were dead during 100% of the reives and so it was impossible to cap every evaluation. Do tell me about how much better it'll be once the entire server starts doing them.