Delve

[Byrthnoth]

Obligatory testing instructions:
* Go to Abyssea on a job without Fast Cast and with Reraise.
* Remove all your gear.
* No Atma, don't need Cruor buffs
* Cast Reraise. Die.
* Get up and cast Reraise, observing the recast in the spell menu.
* Put on an Atma with 5% Fast Cast (Ambition, Lightning Beast, Tusked Terror, Rescuer)
* Put on the hat and cast reraise again, observing the recast in the spell menu (still weakened).
* Post those two recasts here.

[macross]

foresta got it , you guys can bug her!

[Slycer]

Not sure if mentioned earlier, but perhaps the boss counts as an "NM" and has its plasm multiplied? Like.. 10k x number killed? Maybe if you kill all 5 NMs and then boss it's worth 60,000 plasm? Just a thought.

[Taint]

Not sure if mentioned earlier, but perhaps the boss counts as an "NM" and has its plasm multiplied? Like.. 10k x number killed? Maybe if you kill all 5 NMs and then boss it's worth 60,000 plasm? Just a thought.

I bet you are correct.

[macross]

Yeah that not happening till REM updates lol.

[Jem]

Yeah, I mentioned it after they said 30k for the kill.

I can't see anyone killing 5 NMs + the Boss but it might be plausible to do 3 + the boss. Like adding in Matamata to Eft + Raptor in Morimar is only like 1-2 mins extra as you can start its gimmick whilst dealing with the other 2 NMs. Depends how tight you are on kill time. At the minute time is obviously at a premium.

When we did our 5 NM kill, it left like 12 ish mins for Tojil I think. You could maybe find an extra 3-5 mins somewhere but it's nowhere near enough time to kill judging from what we've thrown at it so far.

[ccl]

Yeah that not happening till REM updates lol.

Or till you guys get enough Tsurumaru to throw at them !

[Wardeniii]

Until things become far more steady and stompable, I would never risk the beads/boss win for an extra 10K plasm.

[Jem]

Technically an extra 11.5k! Or 12.25k if you're feeling adventurous and opt for a T4/5 kill instead.

But yeah, not worth risking at all unless you can down them with like 10+ minutes remaining. I'd rather have the extra time in case things go unexpectedly than the extra 10k.

[Toth]

Quick question for macross: Did most of your DDs have maxed delve weapons?

[ccl]

Technically an extra 11.5k! Or 12.25k if you're feeling adventurous and opt for a T4/5 kill instead.

But yeah, not worth risking at all unless you can down them with like 10+ minutes remaining. I'd rather have the extra time in case things go unexpectedly than the extra 10k.

Honestly even with 10min + remaining we won't risk it lol, can already get 10k/h/char so not worth it!

[Wardeniii]

Too bad all of the NM's don't respawn once you kill the boss. Legion 2.0!

[NynJa]

late, but thats fuckin sick, grats dudes.

[macross]

Quick question for macross: Did most of your DDs have maxed delve weapons?

No, but all dd used delve, rangers used relic gun or bow.

Id say it's more about working together, and practicing. Gear is needed but skill too and team work. When shit goes wrong and it does, everyone needs to be able to react fast to counter it. Pickup groups gonna all get lost running around, and won't know who is on what job to do what etc. We thought we had it easy but shit happened but we pulled it out like 19% with 10 min remaining. Was only like 2-3 minutes left i think when we finished it off.

We practiced ceizak runs every day for almost 2 weeks to work out any kinks, and all those times we fuck up we learn from it so we avoid them, but if if shit happens we know how to handle it etc. Was only our 4th attempt on boss, 2 being 10 minute test runs prepatch. Was like 79 69 45 then win. We pretty much knew we can kill it, just needed shit to all fall into place so to speak.

[Toth]

Thanks macross. I was just looking to confirm my thought that you needed all DDs to have delves to have a chance to succeed on the mega boss. SE kept pushing that line of thinking and I see they were right.

[Rhiannon2]

When I first heard about those AOE's, I suspected that 1-2 parties of Yoichi/Anni RNG + support would be instrumental in success. It would be nice if SE had been forgiving on that front, but when you are up against a time limit that is even stricter than Hall of Mul, you simply can't afford the deaths and downtime of close-range melee.

[Radec]

Nahtirah Hat only: 1:54
Nahtirah Hat w/ Ambition: 1:51

Thanks Foresta, and damn it, SE

[Jem]

When I first heard about those AOE's, I suspected that 1-2 parties of Yoichi/Anni RNG + support would be instrumental in success. It would be nice if SE had been forgiving on that front, but when you are up against a time limit that is even stricter than Hall of Mul, you simply can't afford the deaths and downtime of close-range melee.

Shitty thing is, Tojil would be so much more melee friendly if it didn't spam the hell out of Lahar. If you take Lahar out of the equation, there's nothing really that threatening about it. Ok it tosses Meteor around but that's survivable. A melee can't really survive Lahar + any other move unless they switch to PDT/MDT gear at which point their DPS is non-existent because they can't hit it.

You'd think the logical solution would be to stun Lahar but he builds resistance pretty quickly. And without stuns, you're lucky to go 30 seconds without becoming weakened from Lahar.

[Michelob]

Nahtirah Hat only: 1:54
Nahtirah Hat w/ Ambition: 1:51

Thanks Foresta, and damn it, SE

Puts it at 10%?

[Byrthnoth]

Puts it at 10%?

Yeah, the same as Nares or Hyaline. It's essentially Hyaline Hat v2.