Delve

[Damane]

It didn't look remotely threatening to the tank. 4 RNG's downed it in 10 minutes when buffed.

As long as you could either kill it before rage or have a way of damaging it after rage you'd be fine. Can't see how any group of competent DD's would struggle with it though. Definitely doesn't need an alliance. Basically a DD party plus a tank would suffice.

That being said, you get 500 points per kill regardless of ally size so may as well team up with herp-a-derps if they are around.

And yes Damane, GEO buffs would probably be very helpful. I think on the Peiste we tried the RNG's said they had acc issues with Hunters + Preludes + Sushi so yeah.. .

well forget what I said, SE nerfed GEO-Torpor on the last update and made it a static -41 evasion isntead of a -6.5% evasion as it was previously. Meaning its an indirect nerf of the spell if applied to anything that has remotely high evasion (like more then 650) aka delve mobs. The def down wasnt said to be changed, but that needs confirming and testing

[Rocl]

This whole update to me has felt like "I sure hope you have a great merit WS or else you're boned".

Is there such a thing as a bad merit WS? Maybe Entropy or Apex Arrow? Especially considering a lv1 merit WS is now stronger than a lv4 used to be...

Also i'm hearing that all you need to do is kill the NMs once and then you can farm all the currency needed to buy solo, if this is true that's pretty silly since that means we can knock out our only set of content in no time at all and have literally nothing to do til the next game breaking update.

Do you have any idea how long that'd take? The most plasm you can get solo is ~150 a rock, and that's assuming you get a good rock. Weapons cost 30,000. The pop-rocks aren't what I'd call common, but I wouldn't call them rare either. You're still looking at AT LEAST TWO HUNDRED pop-rocks. That's solo, mind you, if you go into Delve/actually kill the NMs you'll probably end up better--especially when you can do both of these things reliably with 50/kill in Delve on trash mobs and 500/kill for NMs in general, it beats 150/kill. I think we got maybe 10-15 rocks in ~3 hours last night (guessing now), and that was with 4+ people farming. You then have to dump all of those rocks on one person. For the record that's still only 2250 plasm at best. Less than 1% 10% of the way there!

You're not gonna knock out this content quickly. That's not counting things like getting pop-rock shards from Reives, and ancedotally the delve-entrance rocks seemed to be more common than the pop-rock shards.

[Prothescar]

Entropy isn't "bad" really, just not as good as Resolution and thus largely ignored.

[Obsidian]

2,250/30,000 is ~8% of the way there. 1% would be 300.

[Rocl]

2,250/30,000 is ~8% of the way there. 1% would be 300.

I DONT KNOW HOW TO CALCULATOR

I carried a decimal too far in my rage :<

[Byrthnoth]

2250 plasm is 7.5% of the way to 30,000.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/37...te/32/#2321154

I've used the all of the Celadon Yggrete Shards and I/II/III give 100 and IV/V give 150. So, about 200-300 shards are needed for each weapon if the value of that bow(30k) is similar to the others. I've been able to get about 20 shards in under 3 hours of 4-boxing reives and occasionally killing enemies while waiting for reives to pop. So, as long as getting the initial kills on the NM is achievable in the next couple of weeks, I don't see any reason the majority of the active playerbase won't have at least one of the new weapons by the end of May.

[ronin sparthos]

Question: do these stones drop everywhere in Adoulin or only zones assigned to Naakuals?

In relation to monsters that is, not Reives.

[Rocl]

That's ~2500 plasm in 3 hours of 4 characters, yeah? Something like 70plasm/mancharacter-hour? That said, I think one month of farming for a weapon is reasonable, but I also don't think that's blowing through the content considering I'd imagine many people would want many different weapons in addition to armor etc.

I realize I'm probably in the minority of not duo/trio/4boxing everything, so forgive for me trying to apply someone using 4 characters' date to my own personal situation '~'

[Jem]

Question: do these stones drop everywhere in Adoulin or only zones assigned to Naakuals?

In relation to monsters that is, not Reives.

I think it's just the Naakual zone as I was cleaving in Rala for 2 hours last night before going to do the new NM's and I didn't get a single pop item.

Also, either we got really lucky or people are underestimating shard drop rates. Last night we got 3 more PI's just from killing mobs that aggroed whilst we were doing the raptor (like 4 or 5 mobs total). So drop rate is pretty high.

Double also, remember shards are AH'able so you can just buy your way to a new weapon if you can find a supply. I'm fairly certain there will be a supply though if the demand is there.

[Shadida]

Don't forget that the shards are sellable on the auction house... Someone with deep enough pockets could just buy them all...

[Rocl]

Also, either we got really lucky or people are underestimating shard drop rates. Last night we got 3 more PI's just from killing mobs that aggroed whilst we were doing the raptor (like 4 or 5 mobs total). So drop rate is pretty high.

Something I didn't think of until just now is the possibility we all had the shards they were dropping. That is since the item is rare, it won't drop if everyone has, n'est-ce pas?

Also, I never got any shards while killing shit in Sih/Moh, so I'm gonna go with Naakual-zone only (those zones with the actual ???s and Veils)

[LidenbokValour]

I got 3 Morimar shards purely from doing reives today, and about 5 minutes a go whilst looking for Genbu Scraps I bumped into Ceizak 5 and 3 for 50k each and a Floret 1 for 10k lol. I have no idea what they do but my LS is going to be popping some of these tonight.

[Kyreth]

One thing I've realized here is that even if you don't get the OMG gear from a Delve run, a kill that unlocks gear for plasm is still going to result in an eventual weapon better than 99% of what you've seen before, long as you're willing to sit there stabbing random Adoulin mobs for the shards.

We're doing R/M/E why now?

[Shadida]

Do the like mobs drop each shard or is it random? i.e., does killing Twitherym give you the Twitherym PI, or can it yield any of the PIs?

[Jem]

I think the only reason to work towards a R/M/E now would be for completionist sake or to capitalize on the drop in prices in the hope they are buffed back above the new weapons eventually. Or for some of them they are still the best option (Aegis/Ochain/Gjallar/Daurb/etc)

Do the like mobs drop each shard or is it random? i.e., does killing Twitherym give you the Twitherym PI, or can it yield any of the PIs?

I'd say certain mobs are tied to certain shards considering we got the same shard from all the Wivres around the Raptor pop area (it was the PI to pop the Raptor)

[fantasticdan]

Is there such a thing as a bad merit WS? Maybe Entropy or Apex Arrow? Especially considering a lv1 merit WS is now stronger than a lv4 used to be...

Bad compared to old school ws no, bad compared to each other yes. Compare requiescat or blade: shun to ruinator, upheaval/entropy to resolution/shoha, etc. A lot of jobs got shafted in merit ws by dumb mods and attack penalties.

[Slycer]

Do the like mobs drop each shard or is it random? i.e., does killing Twitherym give you the Twitherym PI, or can it yield any of the PIs?

I think it's monster specific but the families don't necessarily correlate. Tends to be the monsters around the ??? pop spot. For example, the twitherym in Foret were only dropping shard III which was used for Pugil NM.

[Toth]

Hmm 30k sounds right for those weapons. Going to have to do a TON of delve to get them but the effort is worth the reward, that's for sure. Time to get cracking on this.

I am going to further speculate that weapon drops only occur when you fight the high level mobs (IV+?) inside the fractures, which means you need to kill the first three mobs inside as well, no?

[Jem]

I am positive a decent alliance could grind everyone out a weapon in a day if they put their mind to it. Either by killing NQ mobs in Delve or by spamming outside NM's.

Like the raptor is 500 points a kill for everyone and takes ~10 minutes to kill (not sure if there's an easier mob than raptor). You only need to kill it 60 times to get everyone 1 weapon. It'd be a loooooong day but technically doable. Not sure if just slaughtering fodder mobs inside delve would be quicker though.

Basically, I fully expect someone to have one of the weapons within the next few days.

[NathanZ]

So, killed the crab in foret, dropped the 130dmg sea robber cudgel.
Tried the Uragnite, utter failure. Any news on this, or how to take it down?
Tried the new crab-type, ended up killing it, but not sure if we killed it correctly. Basically just zerged. Any info on this, either?
Tried the pugil, worse fail than the Uragnite. Anythingggggg? :\

I know the scorpion has a weakness that if you keep a dot on it, its aoe does 0 damage...there must be a weakness of some sort to all of these, has anyone figure out the above or more than that?