Delve

[Tymon]

The argument is ridiculous.

RNGs work. So either take RNG, get RNG, or wait until they inevitably nerf the boss so it doesn't make you need RNG anymore.

If they don't nerf it, then.. well.. ARR is coming out soon.

edit: I think I should emphasize more that I think the real question is whether or not they'll change it.

It's pretty pigeonholed.

[Mythe_Seraph]

I don't even play the game and from what I read it looks like even "playing it safe" with RNG's in this "comfort zone" can be hit or miss, and that using buffed melee parties at this current point in time seems like while it may work it isn't worth the trouble, the risk, or the time it would take to possibly pull off one successful run.

[Kohan]

I don't even play the game and from what I read it looks like even "playing it safe" with RNG's in this "comfort zone" can be hit or miss, and that using buffed melee parties at this current point in time seems like while it may work it isn't worth the trouble, the risk, or the time it would take to possibly pull off one successful run.

What's perhaps most amusing about this is that I often take the stance of "don't be mean to people if they don't know any better; instead, show them what's right and help them learn." That may not seem to fit in with the attitude I'm taking here. However, there's a very strong difference between facilitating someone's learning process and hearing someone tell you you're wrong and ridiculous for, well, not being wrong—and even if the challenged individual were wrong, calling them a doo-doo head saying they're stuck in a "comfort zone" isn't very convincing.

Either listen to the experts, or pony up some knowledge. Anything else is just time-wasting.

[NynJa]

these people are butthurt that rng is back in the spotlight after 7 fucking years?

7 years ago some emo rng pulled one of those "LOOK AT YOU YOURE SO UGLY YOURE HIDEOUS YOURE A BANDWAGONER" and tried to sidewinder themself in the mirror, they got 7 years of bad luck, and now theyre back in the spotlight.

[Rocl]

these people are butthurt that rng is back in the spotlight after 7 fucking years?

7 years ago some emo rng pulled one of those "LOOK AT YOU YOURE SO UGLY YOURE HIDEOUS YOURE A BANDWAGONER" and tried to sidewinder themself in the mirror, they got 7 years of bad luck, and now theyre back in the spotlight.

that was just awful.

he would've missed the mirror had he used sidewinder.

that said, ranger is the last job that needed a rags to riches story. god knows it was ages ago, but rng fantasy xi was a very real thing!!

[Blackwhirlwind]

So far on Levi, I have done some successful plasm runs toping out at 7.2k, right now most runs are averaging at 6.5k-6.8k, with ls members that usually come and the 2-3 PUGs I take, but its starting to get old. Our NM department is kinda shaky at the moment, its either a rough start or a full wipe, only has been perfect when I join other groups. Our first project will be to defeat Ceziak Fracture area Mega Boss, just need to job strategy to kill Mastop for his bead. Already have Chapuli and Tax'et's beads, just need to perfect Scorp and Butterflies kill times. The most important matter is what setup to take for the Bee in general, Ls is very DD heavy we have enough bards, whm, plds. Just want to make sure to get this attempt with the least amount of mistakes as possible.

[Diomer]

The argument is ridiculous.

RNGs work. So either take RNG, get RNG, or wait until they inevitably nerf the boss so it doesn't make you need RNG anymore.

If they don't nerf it, then.. well.. ARR is coming out soon.

edit: I think I should emphasize more that I think the real question is whether or not they'll change it.

It's pretty pigeonholed.

I think the question is more *when* will they change it; it's one of those things that will inevitably get nerfed at some point like Legion. That being said, it'll probably happen in like a year when RME get revamped.

[Kaces]

Don't know if I can consider that guy's comment an argument. It sounds like one of those guys who have an 85 Emp and is arguing as to why it should be upgraded alongside the 99s.

[Arthars]

800k, the fuck? Do you not sleep?

2 IDs!!!

1 ID would be insane haha

also i dont understand why people butthurt over class/job stacking....

every mmo is the same... there is always a easiest setup and everyone wanna claim first win or early win

im sure there are other setups viable but if you ask anyone who wanna get fast wins, no one will say "no" to an easiest setup

also having all rng doesnt mean its 100% win, everyone still need to know all the NM's strat on fingertip to grant enough time to arrow/bullet burn the shit down

the key to delve naakual is the FUCKING beads, and also fast kills+swift movement between bosses to have enough time

any group who farmed enough NMs to get those rare beads would prolly already know how each boss works and totally deserve to win the naakual

and with the time spent on beads, you cannot blame anyone class/job stacking to win, than "try out" a "proper mixed setup" for a chance to fail and waste the beads

back to delve topic: is it good to lock chapuli at all for boss attempts? or scorpion/mastop/wamoura is the best

[Sechs]

also i dont understand why people butthurt over class/job stacking....

From a game design point of view it's never seen as a good thing when players can "exploit" the difficulty of a fight by stacking the same class.
It's like this in every MMO and developers always fight against that attitude.

Players get mixed feelings about it, but aside from personal feelings I do agree that when you make stacking the same class so much more efficient than other possible solutions (or rather when the gap between that solution and others is too large) then something is clearly "wrong".
It's not a thing about RNG imho, it's a thing about poor planning, but tbf this has been a part of FFXI since like, forever, in a form or another?

[ccl]

4 rng isn't stacking a class!

You def want to bead scorpion, kinda need /nin to make it a joke, can't really /nin inside. If I were to not bead wamoura, I wouldn't bead gnat neither, cause wamoura take 1min after gnat die.

[EjinCaitsith]

Pretty much same setup as bee, won't go over specific of each fight but 4 rng(our rng outdd our melee in hall of mul) and pld able to stay alive and keep hate is what you need mainly for those.

We took 6 RNG's. 8 Songs + 4 Rolls. One of our RNG's DC'ed midfight and going from the parse results it effectively became 5.5 RNGs.

I assumed the first post was a mt, but you've mentioned 4 a few times now and Jem's analysis for Trex seems to indicated you used 6 for Trex. Just wondering which is true, because the difference between 4 relic RNG and 6 is kind of big.

Did anyone else have accuracy issues on the bee? We went in there and under estimated it. We we're pretty much only able to hit it when feint was on and timed out.



One theory in my head is that its possible you can lock the zone in the high evasion phase by killing your final mob while its about to mode change. I couldn't believe we were only hitting 20-40% accuracy on it. We killed the bee barely before it was about to change into high evasion mode. We call out the stages so we store TP during it for when it wears (unless we get grav / feint on during it).

Can't really support the theory, but at the very start of our most recent fight, our RNG's acc was capped and we were doing very high damage, but at 86%, after a second vespine and 2 people dying to it(just a brd and sch who got too close to buff), acc just floored(using pretty much as close as you can get to an ideal max racc set). Lasted for 3min total, then it used droning(at 75%) for another 3min of basically floored accuracy, wasting 6min of SV songs in a pretty short period of time. I imagine there is no way the winning groups experienced the random eva spike outside of droning, especially the 15min kill one.

[ccl]

4 rng for bee, 6 for tojil (1dced and did less than half the other rng), if you don't get lost into morimar, and do eft +mata will make us win 4min. Not getting lost into morimar will prolly add 1-2min can def do tojil with 5 rng.

[Jem]

Just to give people an idea

Tojil (~1.25 - 1.3m HP)
Anni 1 - 255k / 164 DPS
Anni 2 - 242k / 155 DPS
Yoichi 1 - 229k / 147 DPS
Yoichi 2 - 194k / 125 DPS
Yoichi 3 - 165k / 106 DPS

Remaining damage was from the DC'ed RNG and a 2-3 minute burst from 1 DRK. Every RNG had 94-95% R Acc


Muyingwa (~750-800k HP)
Anni 1 - 251k / 278 DPS / 68% R Acc
Yoichi 1 - 167k / 186 DPS / 68% R Acc
Yoichi 2 - 157k / 174 DPS / 83% R Acc
Anni 2 - 150k / 167 DPS / 60% R Acc

Remaining damage was again done by a 2-3 minute burst by a DRK and 1 other DD who was on it buffless for like 1 minute total lol (~50k between them which put it at like 775k HP)

EDIT: Just for clarification Anni 1 for Muyingwa is not a typo. He really was that far ahead.

[Arthars]

Damn at 4 rolls... That shit is too hard to time sometimes haha

[ccl]

Damn at 4 rolls... That shit is too hard to time sometimes haha

Wich part of doing 4 roll do you have issue with?

[Peace Walker]

Lol, the fuck? I never understood lurkers on BG and still don't. Go ahead and try your strategies then. I'm sure the groups that have already killed the monsters will continue to use the strategy that works for them right now and get all the gear everyone else wishes they had.

Why take a step out of the "comfort zone" when you've just barely found the "comfort zone" and there are people who still need gear?

I wasn't judging the current strategies and forcing people to try out different things, maybe you should try to read what I said again.
Here's what I said in one sentence: It's working, why would anyone bother trying something else?
Maybe you can understand it like this, hopefully

[Byrthnoth]

In honor of all the ranger love lately, I've essentially made an addon that's a ranger bot. It's an adaptation of AutoRA that also uses WSs, JAs, etc. because why not? Let me know if you want to try it out for me~!

Warning: It has no concept of hate management and will Flashy/Stealth your first WS, open fights with Barrage, etc.

[Jem]

You act like most DD's do have a concept of hate management!

I'd offer to test it out for you but out of our RNG's, I'm probably the least likely to be on the job.

[Slycer]

For Mastop, is it the actual debuffs that cause it to take increased damage, or is it the utilization of Emetic Discharge? I need to go back and check my log, but I felt like it was Discharge and not the debuffs themselves (the DT didn't reset back to default after every Discharge).