Delve

[ccl]

You can pull it while people are killing the final NM so not really (run to the wall anyway). I didn't mean literally the start either. We were in the hallway after the first room with potential mobs. People can start buffing etc. while mob is incoming. It also saves time that you would normally need for sacking/logging off. It's really not that far of a pull either.

We don't log the sack off, we let the brd die, take 5sec, also running it to ally is longer than running to it since one person gonna run to it then run back

[Helel]

We don't log the sack off, we let the brd die, take 5sec, also running it to ally is longer than running to it since one person gonna run to it then run back

Like I already said, if the person is at the wall, it's the same exact distance; so no, it's not longer, if not faster since not everyone is going to be using powder boots.

Then you can buff while mob is inc. PLD just needs to grab it when it gets close to keep it off people.

[ccl]

You can buff before last NM die, and 2nd NM can be fought at the wall/can pop in the big room near the wall. running from A to B to A for 1st person is longer than running from A to B for 18. Specially if both NM pop in big room or the small room near the wall.

[Fake]

I don't see any logic in pulling the boss far, you're going to end up fighting in a tunnel regardless (unless you feel fighting it in an open space is worth having to deal with the odd regular mob), might as well be the one connecting to the boss room. Only exception for that could possibly be if both NMs pop right by the start, but still doesn't make sense to run it all the way back to the start.

Unless you clipper into the boss room ready to pull it when it pops you still have to run there then run back, waste of time.

[Diomer]

You can buff before last NM die, and 2nd NM can be fought at the wall/can pop in the big room near the wall. running from A to B to A for 1st person is longer than running from A to B for 18. Specially if both NM pop in big room or the small room near the wall.

It's more like B to A for one person and A to B for 18 as long as the one person is standing very close to bee in the first place. Pulling 2nd mob somewhere is just adding time as well. Time-wise, both ways should be very similar.

I don't see any logic in pulling the boss far, you're going to end up fighting in a tunnel regardless (unless you feel fighting it in an open space is worth having to deal with the odd regular mob), might as well be the the connecting to the boss room.

Unless you clipper into the boss room ready to pull it when it pops you still have to run there then run back, waste of time.

Basically the open space would be the benefit if you pulled it all the way to start.

[ccl]

Why would you need an open space for bee ?

[Fake]

Because your tanks suck so bad its constantly running over and AoEing everyone? Only reason I can think of.

[Diomer]

Why would you need an open space for bee ?

Haven't done it so wouldn't know but I would say that maybe a mix of the two with someone pulling it closer to you and alli running to it might be the best solution if that's the case. Then again, time for bee hasn't been an issue for experienced groups so really whatever way works for your group.

[Helel]

When 1st wall goes down, THF or whoever flees to the boss wall, waits for wall to go down if it hasn't already, dying from aggro in the process, doesn't matter. They RA boss, flee, run back to start with the boss while the alliance buffs. I don't see how this is slower than waiting for 18 people all to move in the direction of the boss. You can just stand in the same place the entire run.

Regardless, it certainly works fine, because we had more than enough time to kill the boss when we did it accidentally. Doing it intentionally will be much faster.

Edit: Our PLDs also pulled both NMs near the hallway, though one of the NMs always pops in the big room (or at the very start) so you never have to wait for the pull. Then, once first NM is killed, you simply pull the 2nd NM off the PLD and kill while THF gets ready to grab bee.

[NynJa]

Warning: It has no concept of hate management and will Flashy/Stealth your first WS, open fights with Barrage, etc.

If you're not doing this, you're a bad rng to begin with

[Darkmagi]

In honor of all the ranger love lately, I've essentially made an addon that's a ranger bot. It's an adaptation of AutoRA that also uses WSs, JAs, etc. because why not? Let me know if you want to try it out for me~!

Warning: It has no concept of hate management and will Flashy/Stealth your first WS, open fights with Barrage, etc.

Would like to try this out, could be cool for dualboxing RNG!

[Tymon]

Kurma observations. Seems to use Tortoise Song at set intervals.

Did five pops with a not-full alliance:

THF BLM BLM PUP -- --
MNK MNK WHM SCH BRD COR
MNK MNK WHM SCH BRD COR

COR dropped into 1st party for mage rolls

edit: nevermind. Sixth pop had 17 songs and timed out. lol

[Draylo]

So it is necessary to bring magic dmg or Mura SAM for Mastop? We had 3 GEO, and people spamming debuff (dia, threnody, ele debuff, helix, steps) and its evasion was extremely high...

[Helel]

So it is necessary to bring magic dmg or Mura SAM for Mastop? We had 3 GEO, and people spamming debuff (dia, threnody, ele debuff, helix, steps) and its evasion was extremely high...

Never used a single mura SAM on him. We just have 2 RNGs and regular melee alliance. 1-2 BLMs, but they only spam dia pretty much. From my observations, the different damage types are melee/ranged/magic. You need at least two.

[Diomer]

Never used a single mura SAM on him. We just have 2 RNGs and regular melee alliance. 1-2 BLMs, but they only spam dia pretty much. From my observations, the different damage types are melee/ranged/magic. You need at least two.

Echoing this; 2 MNKs with formless strikes works for magic damage as long as they seperate their use of them (Tried 1 at first, but it was much slower.) Should be like 10~12 min kills with 2 MNKs as your only magic damage with standard alli/bard swaps. More magic damage might speed that up more.

[macross]

long as you don't stack one dmg type you'll be fine. Ie try killing him with a bee killer alliance of rangers lol.

[fantasticdan]

long as you don't stack one dmg type you'll be fine. Ie try killing him with a bee killer alliance of rangers lol.

Or just have half of them use emp gun?

[ccl]

We did use our bee killer alliance to gnat , but yeah the trick is different type of dmg + keep enf up so it doesn't do the most damaging/ plague tp move.

[Thundarian]

Lol, the fuck? I never understood lurkers on BG and still don't. Go ahead and try your strategies then. I'm sure the groups that have already killed the monsters will continue to use the strategy that works for them right now and get all the gear everyone else wishes they had.

Why take a step out of the "comfort zone" when you've just barely found the "comfort zone" and there are people who still need gear?

Oh I'm sorry, I was under the impression that this was a place for discussing potential strategies for the new content. God forbid people attempt to come up with a strategy that is more accessible to a wider variety of people, as opposed to, say a hardcore LS who can in 3 days level 6 rangers and gear them with R/M/E.

Your have swayed me with your arguments and your strategy now seems much better. Let's crucify all the new people who bother to post anything, and blindly circlejerk RNG strat to death. Talking about other options to open the fight up to more people is probably an awful idea anyways, wouldn't want those mats to drop below a few billion gil amirite?

RNG RNG RNG bla bla RNG was underpowered bla bla great we can stack 4-8 of them now bla bla if you can't R/M/E in a day you probably aren't hardcore enough for this game anyways RNG bla. Can I hang out with the cool kids now too?

Once again, thank you for being so welcoming!

[Kohan]

Oh I'm sorry, I was under the impression that this was a place for discussing potential strategies for the new content. God forbid people attempt to come up with a strategy that is more accessible to a wider variety of people, as opposed to, say a hardcore LS who can in 3 days level 6 rangers and gear them with R/M/E.

You weren't presenting your side of things as, "My Linkshell doesn't have any/a lot of RNGs with R/M/E, so I'm working on a strategy that will serve us in the interim;" instead, it was "I don't understand why anyone does this thing that everyone says works so well, and I hate them for having their resources!". That isn't really going to get anyone to help you.

Your have swayed me with your arguments and your strategy now seems much better. Let's crucify all the new people who bother to post anything, and blindly circlejerk RNG strat to death. Talking about other options to open the fight up to more people is probably an awful idea anyways, wouldn't want those mats to drop below a few billion gil amirite?

Actually, it's more along the lines of something I said not too long ago in this thread:

There's a very strong difference between facilitating someone's learning process and hearing someone tell you you're wrong and ridiculous for, well, not being wrong—and even if the challenged individual were wrong, calling them a doo-doo head saying they're stuck in a "comfort zone" isn't very convincing.

Either listen to the experts, or pony up some knowledge. Anything else is just time-wasting.

If you want to develop an alternative strategy because one strategy is not an option to you, coming into it by saying "your strategy sux, lol" is not going to inspire anyone to help you. Throughout the lives of the RQT and What's Better threads, people have presented and explained their scenarios, and have received constructive feedback in response.

It's not impossible to get what you want, and it isn't the notion of formulating new strategies that's being rejected. What's being rejected is your acting like those people who can execute a certain strategy should not because it doesn't work for everyone, and that's silly.