Delve

[Byrthnoth]

I doubt that puppets would be able to hit it, based on Taint's experience. Puppets with Alternator probably have in the neighborhood of 800 Acc. Scope is another 30. Heat Seeker is another 30 (maybe). Target Marker does something (maybe?) Drachen Roll is another ~40. That puts you around 900, which would also be around floored RAcc. I just don't see it working out.

[Prothescar]

Edit: Speaking to ranged damage, though, I wonder how (in)effective Summoners and merited bloodpacts would be?

45s recast etc

[Zirael]

I wonder if tomorrow's Test Server update will unlock Adoulin? We'd be able to dry-run all the wild ideas for free.

[kenshyn]

I doubt that puppets would be able to hit it, based on Taint's experience. Puppets with Alternator probably have in the neighborhood of 800 Acc. Scope is another 30. Heat Seeker is another 30 (maybe). Target Marker does something (maybe?) Drachen Roll is another ~40. That puts you around 900, which would also be around floored RAcc. I just don't see it working out.

One group from the monk thread has a free spot for pchan lol maybe they could try a pimp puppet master out for the fight love to see one way or another. I pay just to test it out..

[Jem]

I personally have no problem taking a PUP along for testing purposes.

I think the issue would be that the people in our LS who seem to love PUP are also our BRD's or RNG's. Plus people might be annoyed if we make them sit out for a PUP (Even if you have the KI already, it's still 31.5k Plasm / 4-5m gil)

We also would not be able to do it full justice as we wouldn't be giving it pet rolls.

EDIT: I also don't decide the ally spots. Ccl does!

[Kujah2010]

Anyone figured out how to stop the chapuli terror spam yet?

Was fighting tonight and literally form 100-0 all it did was terror.....when it changed mode with Meditaiton it would immediately use it back to back each time to stay in terror mode :<

[Reg]

Taint take me with you tonight i can prolly help! :D

[Raffi_XI]

People were mentioning Thunder Shots to drop Tchakka's aura (right?). Perhaps ice damage will drop the bee's Aura?

On the bee win run i was spamming ice shot all day erry day. Was doing good nonresisted damage the whole fight. I never got to look at aura since i was busy rotating buffs.

Also dont get the wrong idea. We only killed the bee 1 time. Not like we are farming it all the time. And as previously stated there were people that had to sit out of alliance because of not optimal gear/jobs and were replaced by outside ls people.

By the way, are you all factoring soul voice buffs? The winning run I had to wildcard the brds to reset soul voices for a soul voice rotation. If acc is still an issue and kill speed is still too low, there are plenty of fodder mobs to tp on -> ws on the bee.

[Hermaeus]

probably a little off topic but do you folk think that the delve dual wield earrings would be better for nin than the old fashion suppo/brutal? just a bit curious on this since alot of answers from linkshell seem a bit toss up....lol

[Jem]

It's probably Acc/Buff dependent. I'd think that Brutal/Suppa would win more often than not though.

[ccl]

You should try to plug your geat set into motenten spreadsheet(very easy) to use, wild guess I'd say suppa/brutal prolly.

[Hermaeus]

ok cool thanks guys appreciate it^.^

[ccl]

Ok here is a video of our 2nd Tojil trial run, it's a wipe, the only thing we changed is we made each whm focus on 1 pld, and added a rng instead of the sam.

http://www.twitch.tv/f0ndue/c/2302972

Setup for win might have been slighty different, but was 100% similar.


If we can record shark attempt, maybe we'll post it.

edit: notice the kill speed, if we had made whm focus on pld, this one was a win too.

[Jem]

Our next attempt after that video was our winning attempt. So even though that's a ~50% wipe, it's a lot closer to a win than you'd think.

Was a few minor tweaks to the set-up but nothing huge.

We didn't record our winning attempt or our Muyingwa kill (Fondue couldn't be online ) so can't post them. We did record a 5 NM kill run though so might be able to post that too.

[Jem]

Ccl will have to post our 5 NM kill btw, that site is blocked on my work computer so I can't find the link. He didn't see my PM so hopefully he'll see this post (hence the double)

EDIT: Nvm, seems he did see it!

[ccl]

http://www.twitch.tv/f0ndue/c/2302961

5 NM kill,obviously it goes faster now since we have better wpn lol.

[dasva]

Not to rock the boat too much or mess with what's working but anyone think about using machine crossbow while decoy shot is up? The dps should be prettu crazy. Especially if you buff more for tp phase

[ccl]

Pretty sure this attempt was 4 rng only, if you have more SPECIFIC question can pm/add me on gw, but seriously there is no "secret" beside the suck less on rng thing.

[Jem]

Not to rock the boat too much or mess with what's working but anyone think about using machine crossbow while decoy shot is up? The dps should be prettu crazy. Especially if you buff more for tp phase

Decoy Shot only works for TP not for WS. So you'd probably pull hate at some point from Last Stand spam I imagine.

[Raistlinratt]

Didn't SE post saying that they only expected the 'best' groups to be able to beat these bosses? And later they would make them easier for the masses? That's probably where the 'newer' players comes into play, after they get some delve weapons or whatever.

I don't see why you expect people to go out, find out how to beat these NMs, then give you a play by play and spoon feed you on how to beat them. Go into it and figure it out? Takes a couple days, and you already have a HUGE start over where the original LS's who beat it were at. you already have a working ally setup, buff cycle...general strat. Idk, seems like a bunch of people getting emo over their LS not being as good as they thought they were? As previously mentioned, not all RNG are created equal, parse more and analyze your DPS. Find ways to get it higher without taking hate. Parses are your friends, see who's slacking, and why.

Less WS's? less shots? acc an issue? I can't think of a single problem relating to damage that can't be figured out by parsing...unless 'all' your RNG 'suck' and are parsing about the same.

Then again he already posted what DPS you need, which is very easy to see thanks to scoreboard.

The LS's that beat them don't have to tell you anything, they figured it out, i'm sure you can too. These LS's aren't all filled with ivy league graduates or have a 150 I.Q. minimum to get into.

/rant over. Appreciate the information you've been given? Or not, see what the attitude gets you in the future!

edit: Them offering to post videos and parses is more than generous!