Delve

[ccl]

I'm gonna try to find bead and record it. We don't use spellcast for rng, it's easier to manually pre shot and endshot, we got better result doing it that way.

edit: we had 2 attempt under 20%(including win one) and other ls that killed didn't mention about pdt neither, would have to be really lucky(or unlucky?) to randomly trigger/not trigger it.

[Byrthnoth]

Spellcast doesn't read the packets to tell it when shots end, so it is unclear how it would know how long a cast delay to use for ranger if you didn't do it yourself. You might end up shooting in your idle gear, basically.

[Raistlinratt]

Thats the thing. Not a lot I can tweak with my setup. My gear is very good (3 small change I'll make next time) I was spamming arrows, use a good Spellcast for max snap and up until 25% my Namas average was almost 3k until it gained some sort of PD at 25% and I was hitting it for 1200-1500 all of a sudden.

There is more behind play better when it comes to 100dps, especially for me a Krisstina.

I wouldn't use SC, none of us do. Too laggy in the zone, and its probably messing up.

To be quite honest i'd only use SC for mages or support jobs, any serious DD job I do it all manually because you get far better results.

[Jem]

Thats the thing. Not a lot I can tweak with my setup. My gear is very good (3 small change I'll make next time) I was spamming arrows, use a good Spellcast for max snap and up until 25% my Namas average was almost 3k until it gained some sort of PD at 25% and I was hitting it for 1200-1500 all of a sudden.

There is more behind play better when it comes to 100dps, especially for me a Krisstina.

It doesn't necessarily mean you personally play better.

I'd be looking at your buffers/debuffers. It's pretty obvious that gear alone cannot make that large a difference in DPS when you're that buffed unless you were like firing off shots a whole second slower than us or something.

But I mean just looking at your WS averages shows me that there is something seriously amiss. You have way lower WS averages than us. I can't remember them offhand but I know all our WS averages were 3k+ and I assume our normal hits were higher than yours too.

[Allen]

We didn't use Impact, only thing I see.

[Jem]

It's a shame they nerfed/changed Legion. That would have been a decent place to compare damage and ensure it wasn't down to Bee shenanigans.

[Dotsudoku]

Biggest "FU" for my LS (and probably many others) is lack of relic RNGs, especially good ones. Really hoping other strategies work out, if the test server lets you enter Delve then we should totally organize some test fights.

Theoretically possible with some unpleasant party setups that may/may not put additional strain on your buffers, but it leaves a lot less room for error. On the bright side, it requires equipment that takes several orders less of time to acquire than a relic weapon

It's fringe/complicated enough that I don't see it being attempted, though

[Fondue]

maybe you guys arent used to somewhat challenging content and simply arent as good as you thought you were

can you even kill 18 in mul?

[Taint]

It doesn't necessarily mean you personally play better.

I'd be looking at your buffers/debuffers. It's pretty obvious that gear alone cannot make that large a difference in DPS when you're that buffed unless you were like firing off shots a whole second slower than us or something.

But I mean just looking at your WS averages shows me that there is something seriously amiss. You have way lower WS averages than us. I can't remember them offhand but I know all our WS averages were 3k+ and I assume our normal hits were higher than yours too.

As I stated before I was 3xxx until the final push where my average went to shit. Look at the 4k Namas, RA WSs don't vary like melee do.

[Jem]

To me that sounds like a combination of Angon/Dia/Luopan wore or you were missing minuets/chaos. Something along those lines.

Our damage was incredibly consistent both fights and we saw nothing at all that made it gain increased DEF or PDT. So it either can't do it or it's very rare or something you did triggered it.

I'm still more inclined to think it's your buffs/debuffs though because it's what tallies up with our fights and what makes the most sense.

People don't like admitting they fucked up and won't say anything unless someone else noticed. As an example, our PLD was at fault for one of our Tojil wipes but he damn sure won't admit to it (Used Ochain when weakened, got one shot by magic damage)

[RicFlair]

How much is Angon required? I'd even say it's harder to find a decent drg thna it is to find a relic RNG

[Raistlinratt]

How much is Angon required? I'd even say it's harder to find a decent drg thna it is to find a relic RNG

delve weapon and decent gear versus 130m+ relic? idk about that! Easier to find DRG than good relic RNG, just because it's easier to gear DRG.

maybe hard to find someone who takes DRG seriously, less so with this update tho.

[dasva]

How much is Angon required? I'd even say it's harder to find a decent drg thna it is to find a relic RNG

You don't even really need a decent drg for what they using it for though. Just one with fully merited angon and hopefully af2+2 hands who can use the ja when it comes up and high jump lol. I mean yeah on the little nms a decently geared one is nice to help tank I guess

[Raistlinratt]

You don't even really need a decent drg for what they using it for though. Just one with fully merited angon and hopefully af2+2 hands who can use the ja when it comes up and high jump lol. I mean yeah on the little nms a decently geared one is nice to help tank I guess

our DRG does some pretty good DPS outside of like tojil where we don't bother having him do much DDing. Otherwise he is top of the dps charts.

[RicFlair]

Well with how Taint's parse looks, it looks like they can still kill it if they just coordinate better. It looks like they took a little less than 10 more minutes than you guys and that shows inconsistency with the damage/buffers/debuffs etc. Krisstina and Taint may have done a fair amount of damage but the dps just shows you guys may be taking to long. (and maybe that's why damage and accuracy floored over time.. maybe it has the whole 20 minute rage ordeal like the pre-update outside nms) If Angon made all the difference in the world, then I'd be surprised. Him saying the other 2 are only 95 relics doesn't help. There's kinda no excuse to be attempting it with 95's...

[Diomer]

To me that sounds like a combination of Angon/Dia/Luopan wore or you were missing minuets/chaos. Something along those lines.

Our damage was incredibly consistent both fights and we saw nothing at all that made it gain increased DEF or PDT. So it either can't do it or it's very rare or something you did triggered it.

I'm still more inclined to think it's your buffs/debuffs though because it's what tallies up with our fights and what makes the most sense.

People don't like admitting they fucked up and won't say anything unless someone else noticed. As an example, our PLD was at fault for one of our Tojil wipes but he damn sure won't admit to it (Used Ochain when weakened, got one shot by magic damage)

Did you actually have a DRG on your winning run? I didn't see one in the video, but admittedly I had the video in the corner while doing other things lol.

[Foldypaws]

Well with how Taint's parse looks, it looks like they can still kill it if they just coordinate better. It looks like they took a little less than 10 more minutes than you guys and that shows inconsistency with the damage/buffers/debuffs etc. Krisstina and Taint may have done a fair amount of damage but the dps just shows you guys may be taking to long. (and maybe that's why damage and accuracy floored over time.. maybe it has the whole 20 minute rage ordeal like the pre-update outside nms) If Angon made all the difference in the world, then I'd be surprised. Him saying the other 2 are only 95 relics doesn't help. There's kinda no excuse to be attempting it with 95's...

With light shot Dia II x2 = -20% def down and *-Frailty at -13%, Angon's -25% def down represents a ~60% increase in pDIF.

[Foldypaws]

delve weapon and decent gear versus 130m+ relic? idk about that! Easier to find DRG than good relic RNG, just because it's easier to gear DRG.

maybe hard to find someone who takes DRG seriously, less so with this update tho.

I am a well geared DRG with angon fully merrited and Relic+2! If anyone needs one on Lakshmi!

[Jem]

Did you actually have a DRG on your winning run? I didn't see one in the video, but admittedly I had the video in the corner while doing other things lol.

Yep. I can't remember if what we took in the failed Tojil attempt in that video but I'm pretty sure we will have taken Angon. It's too good not to take.

[noodles355]

They're actually lying, they've been talking about drg and angon and decoy bitch all of the last few pages, but they don't actually take drg to NMs.