Delve

[RicFlair]

I was just hoping drg and sch for impact wasnt necessary cuz it just makes the jobs for the fight even more restricted than it already is, guess we gotta PL some people and get em somewhat geared . Can't really find anything that can go outside of:

PLD PLD BRD WHM SCH GEO
BRD COR RNG RNG RNG RNG
BRD COR SCH DRG DRG DD

[Ranth]

our DRG does some pretty good DPS outside of like tojil where we don't bother having him do much DDing. Otherwise he is top of the dps charts.

Well if it wasn't spamming Lahar so much I might've been able to stay in melee range for more than like one minute! Melee weaponskills aren't atrocious, even less so if you run in and out really quickly of his attack down aura to use them. I didn't really have a hard time hitting Tojil in comparison to the bee. Nothing really came close to one shotting me TP move or magic wise if proper DT was put on before things went off; but Lahar makes you completely vulnerable to pretty much anything he can do without an ochain/aegis. If you can fit in more than one stunner and they're really good at what they do, melees may get a bit more leeway in a Tojil fight.

Finding a good/properly geared DRG varies by server really. They just need the whole melee proper gear deal; mdt/pdt/etc as well as the af2+2 hands (with proper 5/5 merits) and legs for the angon/high jump roles. Having a Gungnir for the accuracy on the bosses before getting an Upukirex can help too, if they're struggling a lot to hit (shouldn't be too bad).

[Jem]

Unfortunately dual stunners for Tojil isn't a good idea because he builds resistance so you have to be selective about what you stun.

[dasva]

our DRG does some pretty good DPS outside of like tojil where we don't bother having him do much DDing. Otherwise he is top of the dps charts.

Oh I wasn't saying it wasn't I just meant for the roll of angon/decoy bitch you don't need a good drg since someone was complaining about how hard it is to find good drgs lol

[Ranth]

Unfortunately dual stunners for Tojil isn't a good idea because he builds resistance so you have to be selective about what you stun.

Oh I know, we just didn't have many resists in our run until the last 20% or so.

[Raelia]

Can I get a definite answer on whether not bringing any CORs or BRDs to Kurma, so Tortoise Song doesn't have anything to dispel, prevents it from resetting the magic damage multiplier?

[Gwynplaine]

iirc someone posted that it did song anyways.

[Raelia]

iirc someone posted that it did song anyways.

Yeah, but supposedly they still had songs/rolls on people inside of 20'.

My (our) server is retarded and PUGs time out at 65%. The wipes to Tax'et are even more pathetic.

[dasva]

. The wipes to Tax'et are even more pathetic.

Hahha had that happen a few times in an ls

[erish]

It's possible but clearly they did not do it as an extra 200k damage would have killed it or left it at 1%.

Getting the melee 4 rolls / 8 songs is easy in practice but if they keep dying, then reapplying is a pain. Especially if they are individual deaths rather than all melees as a whole.

I know after I died, buffers weren't really interested in rebuffing me if I went near it which was the main reason I didn't re-engage.

EDIT: It may not go over well with some LS members but what Ccl did with our members was to make them show him their sets before entering. If they didn't have an Acc set then they either had to quickly make one or job change or gtfo of the ally. Obviously you can't do that as a guest though.

I was actually one of the bards for this run, no songs dropped off anyone except for geno obviously due to death, It was pretty much how taint is describing it, was pretty smooth until around 25% then acc and evasion just floored for everyone. Im pretty sure like others have mentioned we are still missing a trick to this NM, well let me clarify that. We are missing something really dumb that your doing that we are not at least thats where my thinking is atm. Anyway ill try and Stream our next attempt so you can maybe spot if we are missing that last element.

[Eanae]

I was actually one of the bards for this run, no songs dropped off anyone except for geno obviously due to death, It was pretty much how taint is describing it, was pretty smooth until around 25% then acc and evasion just floored for everyone. Im pretty sure like others have mentioned we are still missing a trick to this NM, well let me clarify that. We are missing something really dumb that your doing that we are not at least thats where my thinking is atm. Anyway ill try and Stream our next attempt so you can maybe spot if we are missing that last element.

Even melee had full songs/rolls the entire fight. Buffs were good for sure. But that last 25% was just stupid. My accuracy was low the entire fight as Samurai, but once we hit 25% I wouldn't be surprised if my accuracy fell to the 10% range.

[noodles355]

You obviously need better buffs.

[Sechs]

Yeah, but supposedly they still had songs/rolls on people inside of 20'.

My (our) server is retarded and PUGs time out at 65%. The wipes to Tax'et are even more pathetic.

Welcome to my world.
Went 1/8 on Tax'et and 0/5 on Mastop on my server >.>

[macross]

It's totally possible it can do gay evasion tp moves over and over. That being said, on our win I didn't notice one or if it did have it we just powered through it. Both of us have only won once so who's to say what it can or can't do? Only thing is we did get a msg on zone in , maybe its a weaker version with msg or maybe its even stronger heck i dunno.

[RicFlair]

Even melee had full songs/rolls the entire fight. Buffs were good for sure. But that last 25% was just stupid. My accuracy was low the entire fight as Samurai, but once we hit 25% I wouldn't be surprised if my accuracy fell to the 10% range.

Ya'll should've really parsed everyone. I hate when people eyeball or assume. What is safe to guess is unfortunate shit happened since the difference in dps (and R.acc for 2 members) in Taint's parse and Jem's parse is really huge. I think you guys claimed all 4 rngs had pretty good sets and the only down side was 2 95 relics? (Which is a pretty big deal actually)

Also how many times has the bee even been killed by people who post in these forums and ffxiah? Feels like only 2-3 times so far with only 2 different groups?

Again there could be a rage timer past 20 mins cuz the dps to damage ratio on your rngs are pretty bad. The current trend with Delve is a bunch of gimmicks too so who knows if there's something completely random happening with the fail group and the win groups.

[Lordesequiel]

My LS cant even do the T1 NM in ceizak >.> I might not be the best geared guy, dont have relics or anything, but shit i remember how to play this game before it got easy. I wish others did as well.

[Jem]

I was actually one of the bards for this run, no songs dropped off anyone except for geno obviously due to death, It was pretty much how taint is describing it, was pretty smooth until around 25% then acc and evasion just floored for everyone. Im pretty sure like others have mentioned we are still missing a trick to this NM, well let me clarify that. We are missing something really dumb that your doing that we are not at least thats where my thinking is atm. Anyway ill try and Stream our next attempt so you can maybe spot if we are missing that last element.

Acc / Evasion can't be your problem for the simple reason that the RNG's who actually geared properly have the same Accuracy as our RNG's.

For whatever reason people seem to think we didn't have to deal with its evasion spikes but that's not the case.

[Alistrianna]

Didn't SE actually mention that the Mega Bosses in Delve start to rage slowly from the start time to finish? I remember this coming up when they announced closing off the boss areas until all NM's were defeated.

[Jem]

If they do rage, it's a different mechanic to how everything else rages because our Tojil fight ended at the 44:30 sec mark after entering and there was no acc or damage drop off whatsoever.

[Stan64]

All NMs rage different, so wouldn't be strange if bosses raged different...