Delve

[Zerowone]

For some reason the English doesn't always appear in the previous post: They're basically saying that the combination of Indi/Geo-Malaise+Indi/Geo-Focus + Thunderstorm was very helpful.

[Byrthnoth]

I was doing basically nothing on scholar, but that was my highacc legion stun set, has apajamas2 and basically any other high end acc gear

Equipment that increases Dark Magic (and merits, iirc) go off your base Dark Magic Skill before using Dark Arts. If your skill after the gear/merits doesn't exceed the amount you'd get from Dark Arts, you get the amount from Dark Arts. So you were probably missing quite a lot of magic accuracy.

[Fondue]

I didn't know that! I had 0 dark skill when we started doing legion

[Alistrianna]

Equipment that increases Dark Magic (and merits, iirc) go off your base Dark Magic Skill before using Dark Arts. If your skill after the gear/merits doesn't exceed the amount you'd get from Dark Arts, you get the amount from Dark Arts. So you were probably missing quite a lot of magic accuracy.

I seem to recall getting my merit bonus to skill when my skills weren't capped (dark skill was 404 during dark arts), but I definitely remember base skill+gear not being counted if the combined skill was below 334 before using dark arts.

EDIT: NVM 404 is what you should have base >_>

[Obsidian]

so those 3 bottom DPS rangers r in the PT w/o a drk presense chaos i assume? or did u guys also swap drk out for full chaos

You know what the AF2 hat does for COR right? Hardly seems worth rotating a DRK around when you have a 50% chance to boost the roll anyway.

[Prothescar]

Hm, how is that 2x MNK group doing Mantra?

[Fake]

I'm guessing its yet another group and having the ability to stun everything negates the need for it. Alternatively, their cors are random dealing/wildcarding when only a couple of JA recasts are down and its only a 10min fight so each mnk will only require 1 reset.

[Byrthnoth]

If a taru MNK could survive with Mantra, then a galka DRK could survive without it.

Edit: Well, maybe not. Galka DRK only has ~100 more HP than a taru MNK. That's not 30%.

[dasva]

So did some more thorough testing of killer instinct in delve. Doing 300% spirits within on fodder at 1453 hp netted me 681 dmg (exactly what is expected) without and 749 with. So looks like only 10% boost on fodder. Did it on scorpion so have varying hps for the test but all were the expected 120/256 hp without and with they were also 10% more than that. So basically looks like 2/3s for bst type monster correlation though I can't really test af3 body given how crappy my mules bst is lol

[Obsidian]

Isn't Mantra dispellable? Doesn't Tojil/Achukka have an AoE dispel?

[Prothescar]

Conal one, probably one of the TP moves to stun

[darkhorror]

So did some more thorough testing of killer instinct in delve. Doing 300% spirits within on fodder at 1453 hp netted me 681 dmg (exactly what is expected) without and 749 with. So looks like only 10% boost on fodder. Did it on scorpion so have varying hps for the test but all were the expected 120/256 hp without and with they were also 10% more than that. So basically looks like 2/3s for bst type monster correlation though I can't really test af3 body given how crappy my mules bst is lol

That is too bad, I guess now I will just have to test the viability of -10% Max HP, and the -33% def/attack tp moves against NM's.

[Jem]

It can cast Dispelga too btw.

[Fake]

Obviously mantra is nice, I don't see it being essential if lahar isn't getting off though. Seems more like a partial counter to weakness. I'd guess they are using 2 whm or whm + sch in each DD party since there was only mention of 4 mnks.

[Jem]

It's only just occurred to me how ludicrous 4 MNKs downing it in under 10 minutes actually is. That's 541 DPS per MNK for a 10 minutes flat kill.

Our RNG DPS for Tojil was 193.8 / 189.53 / 177.84 / 145.43 / 134.73 / 119.68

The Bee only needs 516 DPS total from all DD's combined to kill in 25 minutes and people are struggling to do that with RNG's with a piercing bonus.

I mean it's certainly possible that 4 MNK's can do it, it's just that is such a massive increase in damage output from what people are currently managing that it caught me offguard.

[Alistrianna]

Don't forget that Hundred Fists gets used, probably multiple times if they were relying on Wild Card. You attack faster during Hundred Fists than you do with capped delay from magic haste, gear, etc. This also opens up 2 songs to use for attack songs or any other buffs. It would seem to me that they relied on Wild Card to down the mob in 10 minutes.

[Fake]

60 second hundred fists with proper gear swaps for it would make a difference, not going to make a non-hundred fists fight comparabe length to the rng method. If wild card failed on both parties, I doubt it would even add another 1 minute to the fight.

500-600 DPS shouldn't be terrible to achieve with adoulin level correction. As long as you are stacking all the necessary debuffs/buffs to cap your acc/attack your DPS will be the same whether its a EM Chapuli or a delve boss. Looking at the rng numbers people have quoted for bee, it isn't hard to cap attack, and tojil is a lot less evasive. Since there has been mention of formless, perhaps the first 25% is PDT and you can speed up that part considerably with the mnk method.

[Ophannus]

I mean it's certainly possible that 4 MNK's can do it, it's just that is such a massive increase in damage output from what people are currently managing that it caught me offguard.

SE said delve bosses were supposed to be extraordinarily difficult to beat given the current available gear and the associated content level. There are intermediary pieces of gear from content level just under delve bosses that have yet to be implemented(second batch of Naakual drops, new Bayld gear, Skirmish gear from the new zones and 3 pages of brand new delve equipment from 3 new zones and 3 new delves). With the new gear, the damage gap become smaller and give non RNG jobs a chance. They said ultimately the new gear would have stats not unlike what a Level 150 player would wear. I'd say the delve(non boss) stuff we have now is ~level 125ish.

[fantasticdan]

Since there has been mention of formless, perhaps the first 25% is PDT and you can speed up that part considerably with the mnk method.

You're still only doing 80% of normal damage with 5/5 formless thou right? That wouldn't be much of a difference.

[Mafai]

Took 3 tries to beat the bee...

Win:
7 minutes left.
PLD PLD WHM WHM SCH THF
RNG RNG RNG GEO COR BRD
RNG RNG RNG GEO COR BRD
http://lmxvii.net/mafai/bee2.html

Timeout:
No GEO - 18% timeout - 1st try we underestimated its evasion
http://lmxvii.net/mafai/bee.html
1 GEO - 7% timeout - couple things went wrong
http://lmxvii.net/mafai/bee1.html