Delve

[Seol]

That's because Shiva's GEOs are running around with peacock charms, 4/5 bayld gear and and Bokwus robe rank0.

[Yeager]

That's because Shiva's GEOs are running around with peacock charms, 4/5 bayld gear and and Bokwus robe rank0.

Well, I'm not sure what to say about that. One thing I do know is I don't see very many GEO on Shiva actually taking the time to get Geomancy and Handbell skills up to cap.

I am looking forward to what stats the new GEO AF will have, though.

[fantasticdan]

Random note to above - I would think Malaise would be more effective than Frailty for the first 25% while using Formless. Probably doesn't matter much, though, I bet that 25% drops very fast.

Does MDB actually effect formless strikes? I was under the impression it still used normal attack/defense calculation like requiescat.

[kenshyn]

That's because Shiva's GEOs are running around with peacock charms, 4/5 bayld gear and and Bokwus robe rank0.

Does it matter? Since no direct evidence that anything affects GEO magic other than geomancy and handbell skill really been proven. Cap your skill and cast 2 geo spells and heal pretty much is it so far leet gear for what looks?

[ccl]

Also, since someone took my comment about the greatsword the wrong way earlier I'd like to apologize for it. I did not mean it in a derogatory way whatsoever. I was genuinely curious how the buyer would feel getting a 10 minute kill 1 week after spending so much on the GSD. Someone thought I was just mocking the buyer though so sorry, that was not intended at all.

You're a spellcast scripted paper DD who can't shot Delve anyway! But yeah the easy comment was more a that's easier to gather than rng so price gonna drop the 2nd GS sold for as much as the 1st, and got a couple buyer waiting for our next kill.

[kenshyn]

Does MDB actually effect formless strikes? I was under the impression it still used normal attack/defense calculation like requiescat.

Your magic-based auto-attacks will not be affected by physical resistances or barriers (Invincible.) It will now be affected by most magical defenses and Spiritual damage resistance.
Attacks can be "resisted", as a magical attack would.


I should add in doing mata so much one thing that has me thinking is crit rate and crit damage increase does impact your formless strike numbers nicely so maybe gearing more for those stats could help in the equation.

[Obsidian]

The accuracy is the dealbreaker, I'd think. MNK is going to trail on hitrate to begin with, a hybrid set will compound the issue :s

Until the next update, anyway.

[noodles355]

Does it matter? Since no direct evidence that anything affects GEO magic other than geomancy and handbell skill really been proven. Cap your skill and cast 2 geo spells and heal pretty much is it so far leet gear for what looks?

It matters because you being alive or dead affects geomancy. Considering you idle within AoE range of the mob, having gear on that will help you not get one shotted is kinda important.

[kenshyn]

It matters because you being alive or dead affects geomancy. Considering you idle within AoE range of the mob, having gear on that will help you not get one shotted is kinda important.

I don't think my point is hitting home on what I tried to say clearly you need basic gear to survive I guess I really didn't think that needed to be spelled out but ok. Please have the following a pdt set, a mdt set, a fast cast set, a cure potency set, and refresh idle gear. But none of that affects geo magic which was the basic point. No one can do anything if dead......

[Gokulo]

I don't think my point is hitting home on what I tried to say clearly you need basic gear to survive I guess I really didn't think that needed to be spelled out but ok. Please have the following a pdt set, a mdt set, a fast cast set, a cure potency set, and refresh idle gear. But none of that affects geo magic which was the basic point. No one can do anything if dead......

Which means you're the one missing the point of what was discussed.

[noodles355]

I don't think my point is hitting home on what I tried to say clearly you need basic gear to survive I guess I really didn't think that needed to be spelled out but ok. Please have the following a pdt set, a mdt set, a fast cast set, a cure potency set, and refresh idle gear. But none of that affects geo magic which was the basic point. No one can do anything if dead......

They're talking about GEO's who use "4/5 bayld armor, bokwus robe and PCC". They don't mean they macro that shit in for GEO spells and then go back to their idle sets, they mean they fulltime that shit.

And I really didn't think that needed to be spelled out but ok. If they fulltime bayld/PCC/etc shitty gear then they wont have a pdt set, mdt set, fc set, cure set and idle set.

[kenshyn]

Which means you're the one missing the point of what was discussed.

Nah I just know it's not as bad as people are making out to be on shiva but that's my opinion only.

[Slycer]

EDIT: FFXIDB has only 1 listed kill and it looks like it dropped double K'ayres Ring so accessories can double drop too.

FFXIDB hasn't been properly recording Delve NM kills until like 1-2 days ago. Not sure what the issue was, but looks like it's fixed now.

[fantasticdan]

Your magic-based auto-attacks will not be affected by physical resistances or barriers (Invincible.) It will now be affected by most magical defenses and Spiritual damage resistance.
Attacks can be "resisted", as a magical attack would.


I should add in doing mata so much one thing that has me thinking is crit rate and crit damage increase does impact your formless strike numbers nicely so maybe gearing more for those stats could help in the equation.

I'm aware of what the wiki says, and I know it's effected by mdT (like requiescat), but I've never seen anything to indicate it would be effected by MDB.

[kenshyn]

I'm aware of what the wiki says, and I know it's effected by mdT (like requiescat), but I've never seen anything to indicate it would be effected by MDB.

Guess i was pointing out malise Reduces magic defense for enemies within area of effect formless strike is reduced by a mobs mdb which in turn should cause damage to increase since the fs damage wouldnt be reduced as much.

[fantasticdan]

I just tested against an xzomit in abyssea, saline coat (large MDB boost) does not decrease formless strikes damage. Berserk and defender do effect damage.

Spoiler: show

It's calculated as a normal physical attack, just using mdt instead of pdt, same as requiescat.

[Fake]

Guess i was pointing out malise Reduces magic defense for enemies within area of effect formless strike is reduced by a mobs mdb which in turn should cause damage to increase since the fs damage wouldnt be reduced as much.

Stop talking

Formless has never been affected by MDB nor can its damage be resisted in the same way nukes/enfeebs can.

[kenshyn]

Stop talking

Formless has never been affected by MDB nor can its damage be resisted in the same way nukes/enfeebs can.

So the wiki is completely wrong my apologies...

[kenshyn]

I just tested against an xzomit in abyssea, saline coat (large MDB boost) does not decrease formless strikes damage. Berserk and defender do effect damage.

Spoiler: show

It's calculated as a normal physical attack, just using mdt instead of pdt, same as requiescat.

Ouch if the wiki is completely wrong that formless strikes is effected by a mobs MDB if that is true 100% if not what would be the test is

using formless strikes on a mob using saline coat and checking damage then using Geo-Malaise on the mob using saline coat your damage should increase vs the non reduce saline coat mdb boost. I do give tho sorry to try and help explain what they were trying to show with Geo-Malaise.

No where am I saying that MDB boost damage just that if some thing has MDB that can be reduced via Geo-Malaise that your damage should go up if a mobs MDB effects formless strike and you can reduce the mobs MDB.

Maybe the wiki should be updated if a mobs MDB does not effect fs at all. https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Formless_Strikes

[Keichan]

(deleted)- sorry, misread above post