Delve

[dasva]

lolbst, also we got a 25min kill! 5 nms and boss, we got this shit down

You laugh but I've landed infrasonic 2/2 on the matamata... so it can definitely land on delve nms and so far my testing has shown rather significant evasion down. Like it looks -25% though the numbers don't come out exactly but assuming the acc page calcs on bgwiki are correct on one mob it went from 397 evasion to 296-299 and another went from 524 to 390... downside is it's kinda funky. Like with no chat filters I still don't get the message it wears off. It seems like it doesn't decay or if it does it doesn't for the first minute or so but then starts to fast but that was more likely that it wore off early since it looked to be about half full duration. Seems more accurate at higher tps though I've certainly landed it on nms with 100. And for some reason it misses Twitherym a bit the longer the fight goes on. I'll get more testing later maybe find a higher evasion mob... was using the highest lvl vt twits I could find... but my internet going out 3 times a minute soemtimes made that alone take 2 hours so will do later. If anyone knows any decently higher xp mobs I can use /check on I'm all ears

Regardless assuming my numbers are right and there is no cap and you can manage to land it on megabosses it's kinda rediculous. I mean bee is what 900+ evasion? This would basically be like perma -225+. And you can take advantage of killer instinct!

Now I'm almost tempted to make pet macc to help it land lol. And definitely get zoolater hat

[darkhorror]

You laugh but I've landed infrasonic 2/2 on the matamata... so it can definitely land on delve nms and so far my testing has shown rather significant evasion down. Like it looks -25% though the numbers don't come out exactly but assuming the acc page calcs on bgwiki are correct on one mob it went from 397 evasion to 296-299 and another went from 524 to 390... downside is it's kinda funky. Like with no chat filters I still don't get the message it wears off. It seems like it doesn't decay or if it does it doesn't for the first minute or so but then starts to fast but that was more likely that it wore off early since it looked to be about half full duration. Seems more accurate at higher tps though I've certainly landed it on nms with 100. And for some reason it misses Twitherym a bit the longer the fight goes on. I'll get more testing later maybe find a higher evasion mob... was using the highest lvl vt twits I could find... but my internet going out 3 times a minute soemtimes made that alone take 2 hours so will do later. If anyone knows any decently higher xp mobs I can use /check on I'm all ears

Regardless assuming my numbers are right and there is no cap and you can manage to land it on megabosses it's kinda rediculous. I mean bee is what 900+ evasion? This would basically be like perma -225+. And you can take advantage of killer instinct!

Now I'm almost tempted to make pet macc to help it land lol. And definitely get zoolater hat

LOL I was just coming here to post something about infrasonic. I know it's a truly massive evasion down, and since we have such a hard time hitting the NM's it would be great. I wanted to know if anyone tried to see if it would land. Throw out a NIN spell to lower resistance to ICE might be a good idea before while you are at it also. It also can last for a long time

[Arthars]

im abt to join a pug doing 1-5NM + boss

may livestream it.... but idk if its ok to link stream url here

[dasva]

LOL I was just coming here to post something about infrasonic. I know it's a truly massive evasion down, and since we have such a hard time hitting the NM's it would be great. I wanted to know if anyone tried to see if it would land. Throw out a NIN spell to lower resistance to ICE might be a good idea before while you are at it also. It also can last for a long time

I'm rather surpised considering the blu version is straight up -20 evasion... longest I'm been sure it's lasted though was 3 min but again I can't figure out how to get it to show up in my chat log so mostly basing that on when I had it reflected onto me and when I can get it back on without a no effect message

[Arthars]

anyway.... link is twitch.tv/arthars

looks like a normal pug, not gotta have much hopes lol

mod pls remove the link if cant post stream url here ><

[noodles355]

Is Tojil Easy/Hard/Impossible to stun reliably without battlemod? I didn't have BM earlier and I wasn't anywhere near fast enough. I pretty much single handily caused us to wipe; not through fucking up or not paying attention or whatever, purely through just not being fast enough. Afterwards people said it was because I wasn't using battlemod.

Basically I just want to know if using Battlemod will make all the difference or if he is perfectly easy to stun without it and I just suck/need more practice.

Was getting a few R2000+ spikes (was 1500+ most of the run) too, but so was the other stunner (who uses BM) and he didn't miss like I did.

[Arthars]

if ur stunning every WS, just watch for "red lines animation" on mobs

chatlog watching isnt 100% reliable for MS 100+ ping usually + human response

[noodles355]

I'd been going by animation previously, and I go by animation in legion. But I wasn't comfortable doing it for Tojil as I couldn't see animations too well (I have to play in 1st person view which doesn't help) so was doing for the standard stare-at-the-wall-read-the-chatlog approach.

I'm not gonna be allowed to go stunner again to Tojil for a long while anyway so I can't really just go give it a shot lol.

[Jem]

For the second one you missed, it was probably a lag spike because for me you didn't even start stunning until after the move had hit.

I'm not sure BM will make that big a difference purely because Byrth himself said it doesn't make that much of a difference.

[noodles355]

At least one I remember sitting here for like a whole second going "did it go off...?" before it did, that's probably the one you're thinking off..
I mean I was R1000+ the whole run but even so Fondle was complaining about spikes too but managed to get it right.

Gonna be annoyed if it's purely my actual physical reaction time that's to blame as that's not something I feel I can improve upon. I've asked ccl to let me come sch to some non-boss farming runs anyway just so I can practice with BM see if it makes enough of a difference. If it doesn't I'm just gonna have to hang up sch, maybe lvl Geo or something, which I really don't want to do.

Edit: Maybe I'll try find some kinda onevent stun bot and use that, see if it's fast enough (if it isn't, I can blame australian internet, which will boost my self esteem at least).

[Arthars]

failed ; ; the pug got to boss with 20 mins remaining but as expected and can be observed from stunning peiste, they r not going to win cos the stun failed so badly ; ;

[Jem]

I doubt it's your reaction times purely because you stunned fine in Legion. Tojil doesn't seem to have that fast TP moves or spells so I'm fairly certain it's probably your connection. Speak to Fondue and see if you guys are doing anything differently.


If you or Ccl think your stunning is a liability then your best bet is to level GEO.

[noodles355]

If you or Ccl think your stunning is a liability then your best bet is to level GEO.

I've definitely been contemplating that since this morning. If I can't fix my stunning then I'm gonna have to. Won't bother me too much, I'll have like all the gear already.

[Bored]

We plan on trying Tojil this week/end. We plan to lock T1,4,5. Our setup is Mnkx2 drk whm cor brd. Mnkx2 war whm cor brd. Sch/blmx2 geo/whmx2 brd drg. We take roughly 4min on raptor 4min on eft but thats not including buffs, outside nm's starting at 1st hit. Should we switch the brd in sch pt to something else? We will be getting 5 songs 4 rolls to start after that we usually just keep the brd and cors in their pts and reapply when buffs wear. Should we be swapping again or is a 1st time run non boss weapon LS needing to keep swapping? Our DDs have rigors/bloodbath but not rank15. And the best place to pull without a pld is to the tunnel? Should that be done by our -dmt war before buffs or just pull after buffs?

[grevenilvec75]

So how important is fastcast/haste gear for stun recast anyway? I have 10s recast without any form of haste and very little fast cast gear already. I don't really have the room to start picking up random fast cast shit, but I will if it really makes that big of a difference.

[Fake]

We plan on trying Tojil this week/end. We plan to lock T1,4,5. Our setup is Mnkx2 drk whm cor brd. Mnkx2 war whm cor brd. Sch/blmx2 geo/whmx2 brd drg. We take roughly 4min on raptor 4min on eft but thats not including buffs, outside nm's starting at 1st hit. Should we switch the brd in sch pt to something else? We will be getting 5 songs 4 rolls to start after that we usually just keep the brd and cors in their pts and reapply when buffs wear. Should we be swapping again or is a 1st time run non boss weapon LS needing to keep swapping? Our DDs have rigors/bloodbath but not rank15. And the best place to pull without a pld is to the tunnel? Should that be done by our -dmt war before buffs or just pull after buffs?

DRG with powder boots can gather up entire boss room and go die in west entrance to tunnel loop at back of room, everyone else runs into north entrance. Do buffs (yes bards need to be swapping for tojil if you only have 5 songs between both of them), drg can sac tojil just into the west entrance again, a melee can voke it off while any links are on cooldown after killing drg.

With so few songs, which I'm also assuming aren't Ghorn, combined with rigor mnks you will need to be engaged fairly fast after last song goes up to maximise soul voice incase wild cards don't work.

Don't swap the brd in the stunner party since schs will need march x2 and haste kept up.

[Slycer]

We plan on trying Tojil this week/end. We plan to lock T1,4,5. Our setup is Mnkx2 drk whm cor brd. Mnkx2 war whm cor brd. Sch/blmx2 geo/whmx2 brd drg. We take roughly 4min on raptor 4min on eft but thats not including buffs, outside nm's starting at 1st hit. Should we switch the brd in sch pt to something else? We will be getting 5 songs 4 rolls to start after that we usually just keep the brd and cors in their pts and reapply when buffs wear. Should we be swapping again or is a 1st time run non boss weapon LS needing to keep swapping? Our DDs have rigors/bloodbath but not rank15. And the best place to pull without a pld is to the tunnel? Should that be done by our -dmt war before buffs or just pull after buffs?

Just want to say that we tried pulling without a PLD and it was a bloodbath and cost us the run and several beads; rather demoralizing. I'm not saying you need a PLD for it, but you do need someone who's not going to die instantly from getting hit by 5+ mobs at once or at least is able to get away after pulling to somewhere safe to die (as said above, someone with Powder Boots would work as long as they have a safe, re-raiseable spot to die in).

[Bored]

Sch brd is non ghorn. But the other brds in dd pt are 99horn/95harp and 95horn. Ok, ty for the info

[Arthars]

tbh if ur going to lock 3 NM... rng setup is safest and guarantee a win..............

you have a chance to waste all those beads if ur gotta melee burn it

its like a 99% win rate VS hmmm 65%?

your choice ><

i'll be streaming a rng setup for win for some friends this weekend (saturday) :O

[Taint]

I wouldn't use any beads except Kurma on a MNK run. (I wouldn't use any beads honestly but 5 would buy you the most time) Tojil is 10min max fight, if you can't down 1-4 in 25minutes you probably aren't killing Tojil anyways.