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[Jem]

I think we go for Samurai as the 4th Roll when we're not fighting Chapuli.

There's probably not much difference between the two though.

[Seha]

Not sure about bows, but I think guns shouldn't need the store tp for their xbuild either way.
Regain also slightly makes up for occasional human error, ja delay or slow reflexes(for what it's worth, I know it's not a big deal).

edit: and whiffs of course!

[Raistlinratt]

As for etudes, why wouldn't you just use the lower tier so they don't decay? Depending on what you sing with, can be 9-13+ stat for full duration? I forget what element they are, should add 4-5 more if you sing in 4/5-5/5 emp+2 right?

edit: nvm. He was using both agi etudes, that seems overkill for sure. Rather have STR etude or minuet

[Slycer]

In light of Matsui's post today, any new theories on dropping the flame aura on Tojil? Disabling Lahar at will would make it defeatable with just about any imaginable (well-supported) setup.

[Helel]

For reference, Butterfly should take 5 minutes or less to kill. RNGs absolutely destroy it. Chapuli 8-10 is reasonable. You can have your RNG EES the chapuli to speed up the kill slightly. It's more beneficial to use it on the chapuli than bee (along with barrage of course). Personally never seen him gain any evasion from abilities, but whatever. Someone posted that WS during spell is possible as well. Tried that before personally, but you have to make sure people are paying attention because ours gained super-evasion around 20%. Only tried it once, though.

[ccl]

In light of Matsui's post today, any new theories on dropping the flame aura on Tojil? Disabling Lahar at will would make it defeatable with just about any imaginable (well-supported) setup.

Prolly something with geo or run to make them usefull in case both were considered useless!

[fantasticdan]

Lunge?

[Jem]

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it was something like silly 'Apply Drown when flame aura is on to douse it / disable flame moves'. It would be the same type of gimmick that works to disable moves / stances for Peiste.

I mean we already effectively have the see-saw damage types gimmick thanks to its switches every 25%. That's kinda in line with what Kurma and Matamata encourage.


Compare it to Shark. Shark loses access to certain moves with Aura Down like Orobon does without its lanterns. Shark Aura gets disabled by its opposite element thunder just like Jagil is least resistant to the opposing element of whatever enspell it has up (Does this decrease its enspell damage too?).

It would be very typically SE to have the pre-NM gimmicks hint at Mega Boss weaknesses.


EDIT: I wonder if stacking debuffs on Shark increases damage taken like the Uragnite. I mean it does wipe all debuffs on it every 25% and become immune to them until Aura is removed which would be a very good reason for that behavior...

[Raffi_XI]

well considering it gets its aura from a blistering ROAR! just have to silence it! /tinfoil hat

For decoy shot discussion, i'm sure its implied but if you are using 6 rngs to decoy make sure you space out the decoys so you have a constant stream of hate on your decoy target. Don't have all 6 blow their load right away and have a few mins of nothing.

[Jem]

That shark debuff thing warrants investigation btw. It would explain some parse weirdness that I hadn't been able to put my finger on. Namely wtf I was having 50% DPS drop last night compared to the weekend.

I don't think we're doing Shark again until Wednesday so if someone does it tonight, just toss some extra debuffs at it and see please! It's possibly/probably complete tripe but wouldn't take a lot to test.

[Kujah2010]

Silly question again, are people that are doing Bee using full RACC sets all thru the runs or normal sets for Chapuli/Butterflies and swapping to full racc for bee?

[Jem]

I use normal sets for Chapuli/Butterfly and full R. Acc set for Bee.

[Kujah2010]

I use normal sets for Chapuli/Butterfly and full R. Acc set for Bee.

I feel this is somewhere my RNGs are going wrong, cheers Jem!

[Slycer]

Also the fact that he indicated that the new bosses are based on Naakuals, aside from the obvious, would lead me to believe he was referencing that the auras can be disabled by the same means. If that was the case, one could test this out tons of things on Achuka without worrying about a time limit. If only I could get through those stupid Reives on the test server... anyone up for trying it out?

[Jem]

Do you need 100k (or whatever) Bayld prior to transferring to test server? Or does it let you get the items for free?

And nps Kujah

[dasva]

Do you need 100k (or whatever) Bayld prior to transferring to test server? Or does it let you get the items for free?

And nps Kujah

More importantly what are the colo rates lol. I mean if they all at 0 cause no one does anything hard to test much. For that matter do the reive versions have the shift dts?

[Slycer]

Do you need 100k (or whatever) Bayld prior to transferring to test server? Or does it let you get the items for free?

And nps Kujah

I'm sure you need the Bayld, but I didn't check, Ill check in a few. There aren't any Adoulin-specific tests going on so I doubt any of it has any kind of debug/testing modifications. You can delete and re-transfer your character at any time to update your Bayld and whatever else.

[Tymon]

Does it not use Lahar if the aura is down?

As others have said, if you can remove the aura and lock Lahar you're looking at only needing to (sometimes) stun spells and/or silence it.

Does not apply to Muyginwa or Dakuwaqa though..

[Mafai]

I feel this is somewhere my RNGs are going wrong, cheers Jem!

We have someone call out when the evasion stage of the zone is in effect on the normal mobs (assuming you meant for Bee zone, this zones bonus is Evasion). If you use your R.acc set on Evas Stage, or save Feint for it, it helps a lot.

Otherwise hes right, normal set for NMs (R.acc for EVA time). Full R.Acc on bee.

Below are my sets. I used same WS set for everything, didn't have many issues there.

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				<set name="TP">
					<head>Sct. Beret +2</head>
					<neck>Ire Torque +1</neck>
					<lear>Vulcan's Pearl</lear>
					<rear>Volley Earring</rear>
					<body>Sylvan Caban +2</body>
					<hands>Syl. Glvltte. +2</hands>
					<lring>Hajduk Ring</lring>
					<rring>Rajas Ring</rring>
					<back>Sylvan Chlamys</back>
					<waist>Buccaneer's Belt</waist>
					<legs>Sylvan Bragues +2</legs>
					<feet>Sct. Socks +2</feet>
				</set>
				<set name="TPMid">
					<head>Sct. Beret +2</head>
					<neck>Peacock Amulet</neck>
					<lear>Clearview Earring</lear>
					<rear>Volley Earring</rear>
					<body>Sylvan Caban +2</body>
					<hands>Syl. Glvltte. +2</hands>
					<lring>Hajduk Ring</lring>
					<rring>Rajas Ring</rring>
					<back>Thall Mantle</back>
					<waist>Buccaneer's Belt</waist>
					<legs>Sylvan Bragues +2</legs>
					<feet>Praeda Sabatons</feet>
				</set>
				<set name="TPAcc">
					<head>Sct. Beret +2</head>
					<neck>Peacock Amulet</neck>
					<lear>Clearview Earring</lear>
					<rear>Volley Earring</rear>
					<body>Sylvan Caban +2</body>
					<hands>Sigyn's Bazubands</hands>
					<lring>Hajduk Ring</lring>
					<rring>Hajduk Ring</rring>
					<back>Jaeger Mantle</back>
					<waist>Buccaneer's Belt</waist>
					<legs>Thurandaut Tights</legs>
					<feet>Praeda Sabatons</feet>
				</set>
				<set name="TPBarrage">
					<head>Thaumas Hat</head>
					<neck>Nefarious Collar</neck>
					<lear>Clearview Earring</lear>
					<rear>Volley Earring</rear>
					<body>Kheper Jacket</body>
					<hands>Htr. Bracers +1</hands>
					<lring>Hajduk Ring</lring>
					<rring>Rajas Ring</rring>
					<back>Rancorous Mantle</back>
					<waist>Buccaneer's Belt</waist>
					<legs>Desultor Tassets</legs>
					<feet>Wurrukatte Boots</feet>
				</set>
				<set name="TPBarrageAcc">
					<head>Thaumas Hat</head>
					<neck>Nefarious Collar</neck>
					<lear>Clearview Earring</lear>
					<rear>Volley Earring</rear>
					<body>Kheper Jacket</body>
					<hands>Htr. Bracers +1</hands>
					<lring>Hajduk Ring</lring>
					<rring>Hajduk Ring</rring>
					<back>Jaeger Mantle</back>
					<waist>Buccaneer's Belt</waist>
					<legs>Desultor Tassets</legs>
					<feet>Wurrukatte Boots</feet>
				</set>
				
				<set name="Snapshot">
					<head>Sylvan Gapette +2</head>
					<body>Sylvan Caban +2</body>
					<hands>Manibozho Gloves</hands>
					<waist>Impulse Belt</waist>
					<legs>Mustela Brais</legs>
					<feet>Wurrukatte Boots</feet>
				</set>
				
				<set name="WS" baseset="TP">
					<head>Thaumas Hat</head>
					<neck>Aqua Gorget</neck>
					<lear>Clearview Earring</lear>
					<rear>Vulcan's Pearl</rear>
					<body>Kheper Jacket</body>
					<hands>Sigyn's Bazubands</hands>
					<lring>Pyrosoul Ring</lring>
					<rring>Rajas Ring</rring>
					<back>Terebellum Mantle</back>
					<waist>Light Belt</waist>
					<legs>Manibozho Brais</legs>
					<feet>Sct. Socks +2</feet>
				</set>

[Tymon]

More importantly what are the colo rates lol. I mean if they all at 0 cause no one does anything hard to test much. For that matter do the reive versions have the shift dts?

Colonization rates on the test servers are locked at a fixed number. 80%, IIRC.