Delve

**grevenilvec75** · 2013-06-27 13:23

I think byrths group is the only NA that has killed tojil on our server (and they only did it once). I havent logged in much lately so it might have changed. If they are having problems then the rest of us dont stand a chance.

**macross** · 2013-06-27 13:26

At least try and kill 5NMs, why give up so easily? Least you'll get 10k points toward some new gear purchases.

**grevenilvec75** · 2013-06-27 13:40

I havent given up. I'm just being realistic. leaders seem hellbent on farming beads so when we kill NMs its outside. Even still, I doubt we could kill all 5 inside in 45 minutes. Some of them we have to 2hr just to kill outside. Its kind of hilarious to me that Jem wants all of this to be harder.

**ccl** · 2013-06-27 13:41

It is "easy" to make group, specially on server with no NA group, like at least half our member are "new" and didn't do legion with us.

**lolwut** · 2013-06-27 13:47

And some are newly returned players who didn't do Legion with them.

**dasva** · 2013-06-27 13:58

I think part of my hesitancy to really start a pug for it is all the ones I've seen and started just for outside nms... I've seen significantly more wipes then wins. And I'm not sure I've seen a single win outside of my current ls on any delve nm besides matamata that didn't involve at least 6 DD deaths lol. Plus there is still quite alot of other things I want to play around with first before going thru the extra time and effort of making groups. So much testing @.@

**Alistrianna** · 2013-06-27 14:06

Originally Posted by kenshyn

Join the club seems a few servers on the NA side are pretty sad as hell.

I don't think there has been a single mega boss kill on the NA side of Shiva. The LS I'm in will be attempting Tojil tonight if key members are present.

**ronin sparthos** · 2013-06-27 14:08

lol, shout on Lakshmi calling for 180m for a Tojil clear. Prolly just trollin' but still.

I love my home server. I love it like a cold sore.

**Taint** · 2013-06-27 14:09

Originally Posted by Alistrianna

I don't think there has been a single mega boss kill on the NA side of Shiva. The LS I'm in will be attempting Tojil tonight if key members are present.

No NA kills on Cerberus. We are getting close but bringing different people every night isn't helping. Two 34% runs last night. One our DRG DCed so down a DD and no Angon. The other a MNK died right after pull. The good news is we can keep him stunned for 8+ minutes ><

**Jem** · 2013-06-27 14:12

Your DD's are only managing 300 DPS? That seems really low.

Are you sure they're getting full buffs and mob getting full debuffs?

**Tymon** · 2013-06-27 14:35

Originally Posted by ccl

It is "easy" to make group, specially on server with no NA group, like at least half our member are "new" and didn't do legion with us.

Think you may have a different opinion if you knew just how radically different communities are on some of these servers.

This game has segregated communities. People that post on here, know what they're doing, use the tools available to them (windower, spellcast, etc) and the people who refuse, for whatever reason.

What I'm saying is that on most of the servers people are complaining about here, the people in the first group are all accounted for. I would wager some quit over RME changes too.

I'm not going to bitch about it any more though. An exercise in futility; I can't change anything.

**Mafai** · 2013-06-27 14:48

Originally Posted by Jem

Yeah, I'd rather do 5 NM + Shark than 5 NM + Tojil. Shark is a quicker run and easier to recover if something does go wrong.

And the damage already being done has never stopped them before.

Honestly though, I hope they crank up the difficulty for future content. I mean these still were/are challenging but obviously could be harder given how many people have full cleared zones. Especially since it's being done with like 10+ mins left.

I'm in no way with you on this. We can kill Tojil everytime and struggle with the shark.

Yesterday we did 4x runs. 1 was a 3x bead lock win, 1 was a 1% timeout (5+B). 1 was a win (5+B), and another was a timeout at a low percent too (5+B).

What am I overlooking? I don't even think we are having an issue with time. Its just staying alive. We stun everything but the normal attacks wreck us. Please don't say get better healers, that's not the issue.

SAM SAM SAM COR WHM BRD
MNK MNK DRG COR WHM BRD
GEO GEO SCH SCH SCH PLD

2 SCH/BLM for stuns, 1 SCH/RDM for Enthunder rotation / more support cures. I know /RUN can eliminate the need for enthunder rotation, but enthunder lasts for the first three shields, and we reapply between 50-25.

Locked 3 for guaranteed wins for members. This was a different setup. Mix of RNG and DD.
[18:33:48]You have 45 minutes (Earth time) to complete the battle.
[18:38:40]Warmachineprime defeats the Divagating Jagil.
[18:41:46]Ceric defeats the Aberrant Uragnite.
[19:16:51]Botosi defeats Dakuwaqa.

[20:02:14]You have 45 minutes (Earth time) to complete the battle.
[20:07:09]Drais defeats the Aberrant Uragnite.
[20:11:45]Xdark defeats the Divagating Jagil.
[20:14:44]Ceric defeats the Faded Craklaw.
[20:18:44]Rerisen defeats Nerrivik.
[20:22:53]Xdark defeats Krabakarpo.

[21:18:24]You have 45 minutes (Earth time) to complete the battle.
[21:23:06]Juliano defeats the Aberrant Uragnite.
[21:26:23]Juliano defeats the Divagating Jagil.
[21:36:57]Nubbinater defeats the Faded Craklaw.
[21:41:54]Xdark defeats Krabakarpo.
[21:45:20]Ceric defeats Nerrivik.
[21:58:39]Xdark defeats Dakuwaqa.

[22:34:49]You have 45 minutes (Earth time) to complete the battle.
[22:38:55]Ceric defeats the Aberrant Uragnite.
[22:43:00]Drais defeats the Faded Craklaw.
[22:45:48]Warmachineprime defeats the Divagating Jagil.
[22:50:05]Drais defeats Nerrivik.
[22:54:29]Juliano defeats Krabakarpo.

**ccl** · 2013-06-27 14:55

If you have issue staying alive it mean you don't dispel verve, we had the same issue, now we dispel verve and it turn shark into a "joke" fight too.

We don't rotate extra sch, we make mnk go /run. Brd in stun pt dispel verve, melee go full dt gear when verve is up.

edit: If people are interested I can write full strat on our shark/tojil.

edit 2: unless we miss stun and gotta zombie/recover cause guillotine wipe 3+melee, our shark fight are 8-10min. If we stun all guillotine, it's impossible to die.

**vagus** · 2013-06-27 14:55

I am loving this challenge. On Odin 2-3 NA and maybe 3-4 JP LS have killed. The rest are still trying. Based on this thread Odin isn't as bad ad I thought.

**Mafai** · 2013-06-27 14:58

Originally Posted by ccl

If you have issue staying alive it mean you don't dispel verve, we had the same issue, now we dispel verve and it turn shark into a "joke" fight too.

We don't rotate extra sch, we make mnk go /run. Brd in stun pt dispel verve, melee go full dt gear when verve is up.

edit: If people are interested I can write full strat on our shark/tojil.

edit 2: unless we miss stun and gotta zombie/recover cause guillotine wipe 3+melee, our shark fight are 8-10min. If we stun all guillotine, it's impossible to die.

We do dispel, and we do stun everything. We just die.

Spoiler: show

edit: i see at the end during verve spam, its not getting dispeled. its likely the cause. thanks.

**ccl** · 2013-06-27 15:00

What kill you ? Are you stunning hp down tp move too ?
are your melee going dt gear when defdown/magic def down or hp down is up while using panacea ?
Are you using embrava ?

**Taint** · 2013-06-27 15:03

Originally Posted by Jem

Your DD's are only managing 300 DPS? That seems really low.

Are you sure they're getting full buffs and mob getting full debuffs?

Plenty wrong with our runs. But yeah 300 DPS most runs. Buffs fall a lot, different 2 song BRDs every night. (one 4 song BRD static)

Different MNKs every night, tossed together DRGs etc. And we will still win soon. NA time on Cerberus is pretty ridiculas. The JPs are crushing out the Delve bosses though.

**Mafai** · 2013-06-27 15:06

Originally Posted by ccl

What kill you ? Are you stunning hp down tp move too ?
are your melee going dt gear when defdown/magic def down or hp down is up while using panacea ?
Are you using embrava ?

I edited my post, its likely the dispels after looking at my logs like that.

**Jem** · 2013-06-27 15:07

If you dispel Verve and your DD's are still getting nailed then either your healers aren't healing good enough or your DD's are not using PDT gear appropriately.

Shark is so much easier to recover on than Tojil because even if things go tits up, you can have 1 DD hold it and just get everyone up / rebuff without much of a problem.

And I wasn't going to say this but if Ccl is willing to post our strat, it should be fine... You can sleep the Shark (as long as aura down) and recover/rebuff if things go wrong or are getting a little too hairy. It does need Troub to land though (no idea if ES Sleep lands) so it's best to get your support party Bard to do it.

**Julian** · 2013-06-27 15:08

Originally Posted by ccl

If you have issue staying alive it mean you don't dispel verve, we had the same issue, now we dispel verve and it turn shark into a "joke" fight too.

We don't rotate extra sch, we make mnk go /run. Brd in stun pt dispel verve, melee go full dt gear when verve is up.

edit: If people are interested I can write full strat on our shark/tojil.

edit 2: unless we miss stun and gotta zombie/recover cause guillotine wipe 3+melee, our shark fight are 8-10min. If we stun all guillotine, it's impossible to die.

I tried going /rune the first two runs, and it really didn't seem worth it. It's such a huge dps decrease. Like, I went from being last/2nd to last in the parse (during both regular nms & the boss) to being in 1st/2nd in the parse. Against SAM's getting 50tp returns on ws. I don't recall exactly how much of a dps decrease that was, but I was easily doing 20-30k less on regular NMs, and like 60k less than most on the boss.

Although, it may be a somewhat moot point if you still have enough dps to kill it in a certain amount of time.

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