Delve

[Shenrien]

I mean yeah, by all means you can selectively stun to buy you more time. It could be a viable solution if you can't kill it fast enough. It's just a far easier solution would be to make your DDs and/or buffers pull their weight.

Some things get in our way that fuck us every time, both stunners stun on accident on a TP move, and the next is usually followed up with Lahar which is a minute that we lose, or the game gives us the finger and a rouge resist happens on a Lahar and again we loes a minute, if we had that minute to do damage I'd be almost confident enough to say we could down it, but having the aura removed would definitely swing things in favor for us because of the ATK down, stuns are rarely ever an issue for us unless we just get unlucky or a mistake happens, but it usually is a mistake that is critical at the moment.

My LS will be doing 5NM + Tojil attempts tonight, gonna see if we can confirm 74-50% aura removed with fire, and try and figure out the 49-25%, only thing mentioned was light and fire, and given that wind never repeated itself for us under 50%, I'm willing to bet that fire wont repeat for 50% as well and it would end up being light, and if we some how get it to 24% we'd probably try thunder first given how the first 3 elements were all light based elements that it would just happen to line up with thunder being the last, but we'll see.

Our 3 MNKs are all neck and neck, the only MNK that is ahead is the JP that comes in and helps us out with the Tojil h2h who is ahead of everyone else by 20-30k damage.

[Cairthenn]

Perhaps it was because it was unexpected, but fighting through a Lahar seemed to prove more successful than persisting through a buff wipe. Lahar flat-lines your damage for up to a minute, and may cause a death or two. Stasis flat-lines your damage until you have the ability to get buffs fully back up (probably losing enhanced buffs in the process, too), and may cause a death.

Obviously, they should both be stunned, so aura down is technically better; it's just that if a move does get through the aura isn't down often enough so nobody is really comfortable with a full rebuff. It shouldn't be a deterrent from removing the aura, it's just something different.

[Jem]

Exactly what DD's are you taking Shen? 4 MNK's + ???

[Fake]

Some things get in our way that fuck us every time, both stunners stun on accident on a TP move, and the next is usually followed up with Lahar which is a minute that we lose, or the game gives us the finger and a rouge resist happens on a Lahar and again we loes a minute, if we had that minute to do damage I'd be almost confident enough to say we could down it, but having the aura removed would definitely swing things in favor for us because of the ATK down, stuns are rarely ever an issue for us unless we just get unlucky or a mistake happens, but it usually is a mistake that is critical at the moment.

You contradict yourself here. You say that you can down it given no lahars getting off then go on to say stuns are rarely an issue. Rarely an issue would be having a lahar get off every once in a few fights, not consistently causing you to not win before resists begin to occur.

Taking aura down will certainly help your output when stuns are perfect (and make the fight shorter which is always good), but if you get 3 melees full dispelled its going to hurt more than lahar getting off (assuming no deaths and you just lose the time while weakened)

If I was in your situation I personally wouldn't invest too much in removing the auras or figuring shit out, just worry about engaging as soon as songs/rolls are up and minimising the amount of distractions during the fight

[Slycer]

Another random note, the info about Meteor only being casted at low HP is probably just not correct. He tried casting it at about 65% HP. Aura was up, and I'm guessing he can only cast it with the aura up. Not really a big deal since it has insanely long casting time so it's easily stunned, just pointing it out for anyone who might not be expecting or looking for it.

[Shenrien]

Exactly what DD's are you taking Shen? 4 MNK's + ???

DRK w/ Senbaak Nagan and DRG with Ryu99

[Jem]

4 Rolls + 6-8 SV songs + GEO Def down + Dia II/Light Shot x2 + Angon?

[Shenrien]

Yeah, we usually start reapplying our songs around the 55% mark, and rolls are constantly being reapplied, under 50% we drop the PLD from ally and after the fourth roll is re-applied a COR will go in and give them M.acc roll. the BRD in charge of marches will also drop after all 8 songs have been done and go to SCH party to give them marches.

[Jem]

It's only at 55% by the time your songs are wearing?

Are your MNK's HF'ing during Formless for that first 25%? Do they have augmented AF2+2 pants for the extended duration?

[Classikmage]

I don't know if this has been reported yet, but last night for shits and giggles, since a few people had mentioned it, I looked at what day we entered the Morimar Fracture. We went in on Lightsday and engaged Tojil mid-Darksday. I noticed during the fight, after a few random Silence resists, I saw Tojil cast Diaga III and Holy II. Sometime mid-fight I noticed the aura was down as well. Sadly, I wasn't paying attention to when the aura dropped, as I was more focused on other things during the fight. I never noticed Tojil casts those spells before, maybe coincidence due to mostly being silenced. But, I was thinking, what if the day you enter the Fracture determines what element Tojil spawns as? Has anyone ever tried using the opposite element of the day you enter to drop the aura? I was thinking about what spells were used during the fight that could have accounted for dark element. The only thing I could account for was Dispel, which doesn't really do damage, but... who knows. It was being spammed pretty consistently, on occasion, due to Batholithic Shell and Blistering Roar.

[Shenrien]

I know the 3 MNKs that are from our shell have it, I do not know if the JP does, I'm almost certain that he does, hundred fists usually wears off around 85% or so, first phase is taken down within about 2 minutes, I know for fact that formless is nowhere near being close to falling off by the time we hit 74%.

[Jem]

I've definitely seen Tojil cast Holy II before. Largely because on one of our early RNG attempts it killed our PLD whilst Lahared prompting us to go 'Wtf weren't you using Aegis?!'. It was spamming Holy that run below 75%.


And Shen, if you're doing 100 > 75 in 2 mins, how are songs wearing by the time you reach 55? Should have a shit ton of time left on them.

[Shenrien]

tbh I'm more so guesstimating the % we are reapplying buffs, 55% just sounds right to me for some reason, it could be significantly lower than that, and I only know for certain the time on the first phase is 2min because I have well over a minute remaining on my formless, given that it only lasts 3 min. I'll try and make a better mental note of it tonight when we go, the more I think about it, yeah 55% doesn't seem right and would be too high given our drg always gloats about how much damage his drakes are doing after the first 25%.

[Fake]

Given that the first 25% is the slowest even with hundred fists and formless with the 4 mnk, drk, drg setup. Your fights should be well under 8mins without lahars getting off. So basically all you need is 1 fight where stunners don't fuck up and you will win because you are on target for a fight duration that will win before resist.

[Asymptotic]

Not really a huge fan of Aura-down Tojil. We're pDIF capped either way provided that either Bolster or Berserk is active, Searing Serration while single target seems to be bad enough that it could easily take someone out who just recently took an AoE attack and Volcanic Stasis will send Soul Voice skipping off into the distant sunset if stun is missed whereas Lahar just requires you to wear HP sets for 30 seconds. I did not notice a damage difference with aura down, but we've always dropped aura during Bolster/Spirit SurgeorAngon.

[Asymptotic]

Also, unless you have your danger GEO doing Languor, you don't have the stun tolerance you think you have 100% of the time. On your first kill, you will essentially need to get lucky or find a way to remove luck from the equation.

[Arthars]

if all your mnks are on rigors.... then yea its going to be a lil tough to zerg that first win with just a senbaak. My DRK(or maybe even most senbaak drk who cared on balancing acc) will always outparse Oatixur by around 10%+

so if all your mnks r on rigors i can see the gap even bigger......

my next suggestion on ur first win would be......bead + rng :X fool proof 100% win method

HOWEVER, seeing how you claimed to get to 74% in just 2 mins means your mnk doesnt have any problem......and for some reason the same mnks who managed 2 mins to 74%, yet taking more than the next 5-6 mins going to just 55% is a complete mindfuck to me

only possible 3 logical reason i can think of is,:
1. the mnks did not remove formless strikes at 74%
2. someone missed a lahar stun that period but then again you said stuns r fine so...........
3. you were the same guy who reported marble nugget mining in Moh Gates, so you twisted some facts here to make us believe your group dont suck, but they suck

sorry for being harsh but tojil is, and will always be, a straight forward fight unless either the stunner fail, or the DD fail, nothing else

[Fake]

I've asked before but I'm guessing a few more people have fought bee since then. Has anyone tried Mura on it below 25%, formless doesn't bypass all the DT but Mura/Twilight aren't the exact same damage type as formless.

If it does work fully it should make 5NM + Bee fairly doable.

[Taint]

For the first win I'd highly recommend a 2nd Embrava. We started bringing 3 SCHs, one to Embrava Kurma (stunner), other stunner does opening Embrava before pull and the last is there to help cure/haste and do a 2nd embrava around 50%. Was a big difference maker before we got Oatixurs.

[grevenilvec75]

We plan on beading kurma for our first run.