Delve

[Arthars]

reason why we never see the message is prolly because the PLDs r always the one pulling and only he/she sees it? and they prolly dont report it cos its nothing biggy

[Kidnoftle]

Anyone ever try taking thf or /thf into Toj? If so, would you mind PM'ing me your pools?

[Midkemia]

All the NMs should have an exploitable weakness.
What is Shimmering Tarichuk's?
No, embrava is a bandaid, not the weakness

[Kohan]

All the NMs should have an exploitable weakness.
What is Shimmering Tarichuk's?
No, embrava is a bandaid, not the weakness

Its major weakness is that you can Silence it.

Also, Embrava isn't just a band-aid. Since it can't be removed, it's extremely wise to use.

If you can't kill it with Embrava and an appropriately-geared mage casting Silence, practice more.

[Tymon]

Only feasible reason I can see to not use Embrava on the Tarichuk is if both of your SCH need the stratagems Tabula Rasa gives on Tojil.

edit: you could even sub out the RDM for a SCH/RDM and not have this downside

[Midkemia]

Not opposed to using embrava, but there's gotta be something more to him

[Kohan]

Not opposed to using embrava, but there's gotta be something more to him

There doesn't have to be. By saying there has to be a "weakness," I think you're conflating the various mobs' abilities with a vulnerability. For example, you don't want to inflict magical damage on the raptor, but that isn't because magical damage is its weakness—it's because what results represents a strength that it has, and you don't want to trigger it. Likewise, for the eft, its strength is in spamming magic and abilities, and you can take the former out of the equation with Silence (a la not casting magic on the raptor), while you can mitigate the latter with Embrava.

It already follows the same type of logic that you appear to be looking for.

[Midkemia]

I guess, that does make sense. I was thinking of raptor right after i posted that just as u said. I really think there's a way to interact with the poison aura tho

[Kidnoftle]

Yeah, dying to it is a form of interaction :D

[Kaces]

I'd advise against the usage of brava for eft. Due to how similar the curing situation is with tojil, it's best to consider it good practice and a mini-test towards making tojil that much easier. I always remind the alliance that cross-ally curing was added not too long ago and that they should utilize it.

[Seol]

If you can find it... it's buried somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned without pics or anything to back it up other than "Intimidating the eft seemed to take it's poison aura off".

[Kohan]

I'd advise against the usage of brava for eft. Due to how similar the curing situation is with tojil, it's best to consider it good practice and a mini-test towards making tojil that much easier. I always remind the alliance that cross-ally curing was added not too long ago and that they should utilize it.

I don't know if I would agree when it's a group that can't yet defeat the eft. After all, they're presumably not getting any further than that already. I imagine they definitely won't defeat Tojil the first time that they reach it. Still, I can't say there's anything wrong with the idea of saving an Embrava or two for Tojil itself.

[Zirael]

Only feasible reason I can see to not use Embrava on the Tarichuk is if both of your SCH need the stratagems Tabula Rasa gives on Tojil.

edit: you could even sub out the RDM for a SCH/RDM and not have this downside

There is no need to Embrava eft. Our server's PUGs use RDM to silence it (RDM needs to be well geared, not some random idiot) and Chainspell-Stun from 40% HP. Chainspell usually wears at 5-10% for non-Oatixur MNKs. Again, Embrava is not needed, but your enfeebling, DPS and curing must not suck. Tarichutoxin and Cyclotail need to be stunned too. If you consistently wipe to eft, you'll need to figure out what's wrong before you can touch Tojil.

[Loire]

There is no need to Embrava eft. Our server's PUGs use RDM to silence it (RDM needs to be well geared, not some random idiot) and Chainspell-Stun from 40% HP. Chainspell usually wears at 5-10% for non-Oatixur MNKs. Again, Embrava is not needed, but your enfeebling, DPS and curing must not suck. Tarichutoxin and Cyclotail need to be stunned too. If you consistently wipe to eft, you'll need to figure out what's wrong before you can touch Tojil.

Embrava isn't needed for sure but Schs should be enough stuns that chainspell is a waste. Also you have a sole geomancer kite/nuking the matamata then? Cause typically we have the eft dead and raptor dead before matamata is finished being prepped with the rdm nuke/kiting. Running over to toss sab silence on it around 50%.
Sounds like a need for more stuns to reduce down the overall output of AoE dmg and dispelled buffs than embrava being needed.

[Sukian]

Downed the Bee + 5 NM Sat and Sun in two different groups. Credit to Ihina's group for downing it on Sat! Sorry I don't have a video this time around of the win (Vasch forgot to record)

For inquiring minds its a very similar set up as other boss runs but instead you take 3-4 rng. On Sat we had 3 99 anni rng with a geo in the party (Extra whm in mage party wasn't really needed) On Sun we took 4 rng, 99 anni, 90 anni, 99 bow, 75 anni. We had 3 of our members finish guns and everyone was itching for a 5NM win so we kinda forced it. Will definitely be a lot easier once they all finish 99'ing. There's a big difference between bow and gun now. While you can probably do 2 and 2 I really don't recommend anything less than that. Key to the run is Scorp. Pull it first, if it goes to shit exit and retry.

Bee died in 5min from pull to kill.

[Squah]

4:49 kill on Muyingwa, to be exact. I think we were more doing it for practice once our members got their RNG relics upgraded, but ended up killing it lol

RNG RNG RNG RNG COR BRD
MNK SAM DRG WHM COR BRD
SCH SCH PLD RDM GEO GEO

99 and 90 gun had Achiyalabopa bullets, 99 Bow had Achiyalabopa Arrows (and delve gun with bullets for lessers). 75 gun had spent all his plasm to purchase marrows and only had Adlivun Bullets. Standard 4roll/8song on melee, RNG got preludes/coursers/rogues/etudes instead of marches/mads/fighters/sams.

My (the 90) average with Coronach on bee was 7800, 99 averaged 8600. Normal shots for 1000+ the entire fight.


Like Sukian said, the hardest part of this by far is the scorpion. He can be a total asshat if he wants to (like instantly earthbreakering twice once spring in your step message appears). Getting hit by a few for all 0s isn't bad but if one gets off for some damage, getting all the DD (and especially RNG, with no dedicated whm) cured up can be chaotic. If any of the DDs eats a sharp striked death scissors, one shot is a definite possibility. With even one melee down, it gets sketchy with hell scissors/stasis hate resets and before you know it the RNG take hate.

Twitherym drop like a brick, as does chapuli (7-900+ dmg shots from RNG was surprising, coursers roll is a gamechanger). Stun orthopterror. Mastop melts to RNG and Tax'et is a breeze even if loads of Proboscis get off since RNG are out of range.

Muyingwa was far, far easier than the scorpion. If you can manage Scorp with a hybrid RNG/DD group, you can do that entire zone. We did it with 2 largely incomplete relics (the 75 gun didn't even have macros) and a generally messy run. Scorpion wiped the entire mage line with 800 HP left along with killing a MNK and SAM earlier in the fight and our DRG mpk'd our MuraSAM on mastop by transferring angon onto him. With 3 99guns and a clean run, should be able to clear with several minutes to spare.

[noodles355]

Re: all this Embrava isn't needed for eft.

It's not needed for Tojil either. 2 Schs can stun Tojil perfectly fine WITHOUT Alacrity. Said it before, will say it again: only time you need Alacrity is if buffs wear off vefore being reapplied.

[Helel]

With full buffs, 99 relic, and best gear -khepri (using kheper) coronach was doing ~10200, and regular shots for 1600 on the bee. We also killed it in ihina's group with 1 SCH last night. He died so fast that tabula rasa didn't even wear off. The RDM used chainspell stun on the scorpion under 50%. Earthbreaker never went off (though you should wait for the +evasion message to pop before doing CS, so it's not wasted). Makes the fight much faster. I'd also use scherzo so nobody is one-shotted.

Oh and just for general information for this boss, /DRG is not needed, assuming you are stunning everything. RNGs pulled hate, but the boss moves so slowly, and was stunned during every tp move, that it hardly moved.

Edit: Helps if one-two of the RNG are using wildfire on mastop so the piercing resist doesn't build too high.

[dasva]

With full buffs, 99 relic, and best gear -khepri (using kheper) coronach was doing ~10200, and regular shots for 1600 on the bee.

Geez just how much peircing weakness does that bee have? Looking at those numbers kinda looks like +50%

[shepardG]

Its something cray. must try my echidnas bow with new ammo..... mmmmmD335mmmmm pew pew!