Delve

[Arthars]

the magical 630 number is often misleading

i will re-iterate here.... 630 IS ONLY JUST enough if you have SV 2 madrigals + hunters roll. i have tested with just 630 acc and only parse 85-90% w/o SV madrigals on NMs. NO YOU SHOULD NOT BE USING HUNTERS ON NMS BECAUSE FIGHTERS ROLL IS BETTER DONT GIMP YOURSELF!!! only hunters on boss

if not, you will not be hitting 95% acc on raptor, peiste and tojil, or even kurma since you prolly will only have 4 songs w/o brd rotation for it and often w/o madrigals

most group should kill tojil before 7 mins is up so SV + abi song should suffice but if your group dont do it before 7 mins, u prolly need to switch to higher acc (650ish) on 2nd SV-less madrigals

there shouldnt be any problem getting 670+ acc now after update for morimar and thats where you should be at imho and be eating pizzas

for ceizak you need 670 acc minimum for muyingwa and mastop

[Shadida]

Anyone had a NM pop at the start before? We zoned in and before anybody could move Shimmering Tarichuk was munching on our Taru GEO.

[Fwahm]

the magical 630 number is often misleading

i will re-iterate here.... 630 IS ONLY JUST enough if you have SV 2 madrigals + hunters roll. i have tested with just 630 acc and only parse 85-90% w/o SV madrigals on NMs. NO YOU SHOULD NOT BE USING HUNTERS ON NMS BECAUSE FIGHTERS ROLL IS BETTER DONT GIMP YOURSELF!!! only hunters on boss

if not, you will not be hitting 95% acc on raptor, peiste and tojil, or even kurma since you prolly will only have 4 songs w/o brd rotation for it and often w/o madrigals

most group should kill tojil before 7 mins is up so SV + abi song should suffice but if your group dont do it before 7 mins, u prolly need to switch to higher acc (650ish) on 2nd SV-less madrigals

there shouldnt be any problem getting 670+ acc now after update for morimar and thats where you should be at imho and be eating pizzas

for ceizak you need 670 acc minimum for muyingwa and mastop

Isn't 670 acc + pizza roughly equivalent to 630 acc + sushi? I'm sure that the stp/da/ta/etc you can get with only gearing for 130 acc outweighs the 40 attack pizza gives over sushi.

[Odion]

Does Impact affect the raptor? People are insisting it doesn't affect it. But BG wiki says all magic damage levels it up.

[Arthars]

i have been going delve everyday with pugs maybe average 6 rounds a day and been using my mnk from gearing to 630 acc(pre patch) with stp/da etc etc up to 680 acc now and eating pizza

i can say 670+pizza is optimum for morimar. even gearing mnk for 670 acc, you are still looking at having max DA and TA anyway.... MNK is outright OP and easy to gear now after patch

sushi only cap acc at 72, not sure for pizza(prolly 50)

my drk is only cap acc(95.33%) on tojil only after 652 acc with SV mad + hunters in a 6:52 fight with sushi +1. tested with same PT with 638 acc and only had 92.35% acc.

DRK Tojil parse(15k reso!) < prolly my best pug parse on drk(drk not allowed to WS on raptor in pugs and i died on kurma...) 652 TP acc + Sushi +1 + 2 mad + fighters roll on NMs and SV mad + hunter on boss
MNK Tojil parse < 1 of my best MNK parse 683 acc + pizza + 1 mad + fighters for NMs, and 2 SV mad + hunters on boss... my mnk is really only slightly above average geared to join pugs and onlylvl1 shijin and rank 2 brais lol dont judge!

just throwing out 2 parses i had out of many while finding optimal setup... and it could have gone a whole lot worse with just 630 acc.........

same for WS set, 650 acc is optimal for multi hit WS

im not saying 630 wont cut it. it can/might but not everyday is sunday, especially if you pug

impact debuff doesnt rage the raptor but the initial landing damage does lol

[Fwahm]

I'm pretty sure pizza caps at 40.

[dasva]

Does Impact affect the raptor? People are insisting it doesn't affect it. But BG wiki says all magic damage levels it up.

From what I've noticed and think I saw it on here somehwere the magic dmg making it strong seems to be somewhat temporary. So yeah you might make it a little harder for a little bit at high hp using impact but it's not that dangerous then anyways and the debuff should last most if not all the fight

[NynJa]

Does skillchain damage affect the raptors temporary rage? I'm assuming yes since its magic damage.

[Arthars]

yea.. thats why in most groups, resolution is banned.... and infact none of drk WS is safe to close/open with shijin

[Ophannus]

I wanna say SC damage does but not as much? Like when I go DRG and accidentally make Gravitation off of a Shijin Spiral or whatever, I'm still hitting a majority of the time, even if 2,3 or even 4 SCs go off in the span of a few min, most DDs *seem* to be hitting fine. But if a mage accidentally Dia's it or nukes it? My acc is floored like instantly and I miss entire weapon skills. Speaking of floored acc, when hit with Incinerating Lahar, seems like accuracy drops dramatically. Like we're talking 92-94% acc before Lahar and 20-30% with Lahar on. Either Tojil gets a massive evasion boost after he uses Lahar, or the weakness incurred by Lahar reduces your acc to 0 or something.

[NynJa]

alright, thanks!

[dasva]

Speaking of lahar... I was fighting Achuka the other night and was actually weakened from dieing. But I go up to it because why not I had been tanking decently while weakened so far. So I buff up and cure myself. Still had over 4 minutes left on weakness walk up and it lahars and I laugh because heck I'm already weakened. But then I notice all of a sudden I unweaken shortly after that. About how long it would've have taken if my death weakness had been lahar instead. Of course didn't matter much as it lahard again. But still that was just another minute of weakness when I should've had another 4 or so. Anyone notice that on Tojil?

[Arthars]

I wanna say SC damage does but not as much? Like when I go DRG and accidentally make Gravitation off of a Shijin Spiral or whatever, I'm still hitting a majority of the time, even if 2,3 or even 4 SCs go off in the span of a few min, most DDs *seem* to be hitting fine. But if a mage accidentally Dia's it or nukes it? My acc is floored like instantly and I miss entire weapon skills. Speaking of floored acc, when hit with Incinerating Lahar, seems like accuracy drops dramatically. Like we're talking 92-94% acc before Lahar and 20-30% with Lahar on. Either Tojil gets a massive evasion boost after he uses Lahar, or the weakness incurred by Lahar reduces your acc to 0 or something.

magic damage does not cause the raptor to increase evasion.... where did you get that idea from?

it only makes the raptor attacks on a 100-fist-like speed + DA and TAs 100% of the time, including on WS, and with him spamming WSs, means someone is going to eat a TA chomp rush and get 1-2 shot if whm isnt paying attention

not saying you cant magic/sc it, but you shouldnt risk the wrath of the leader or waste time on a possible run ending move

as for the bold portion, im sure your just drunk... because it totally makes no sense and no one has never,ever, ever witness this even in day 1 of delve..........

[Malithar]

I wanna say SC damage does but not as much? Like when I go DRG and accidentally make Gravitation off of a Shijin Spiral or whatever, I'm still hitting a majority of the time, even if 2,3 or even 4 SCs go off in the span of a few min, most DDs *seem* to be hitting fine. But if a mage accidentally Dia's it or nukes it? My acc is floored like instantly and I miss entire weapon skills.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I don't recall Raptor gaining any sort of evasion boost once hit by any type of magic. The danger of him taking any magic damage is his rage (which is temp I believe as well) which gives increased attack speed and near 100% DA/TA rates. Combine this with the zone buff, or below 50% when he's able to inflict zombie, and you're risking deaths. Easier to just cut out the chances.

Edit: Arthars with the 2 min buzzer beater. D:

[Fwahm]

I've definitely seen the Raptor get a major evasion boost if he's raged too many times in a short period of time. It's not nearly as potent as Peiste's evasion buff when not blinded, but before we knew what caused his rage, it was definitely a problem.

I wouldn't be surprised if in addition to the increased offense, each time he's magic damaged he gains 10 evasion.

[Darkmagi]

Evasion could be explained by actual good DDs swapping into DT/hybrid sets if someone fucks up and does magic damage. Never noticed an evasion boost, absolutely nothing crippling. Lahar giving some sort of stat boost is entirely inaccurate though. I hit quite fine with my weak set and that has a lot less acc than my DD sets.

[Dotsudoku]

Cosigning the lack of any of these alleged buffs. Confirmation bias, etc.

[Michelob]

yea.. thats why in most groups, resolution is banned.... and infact none of drk WS is safe to close/open with shijin

Unless you have a decent scythe to swap into for that fight.

[Taint]

Unless you have a decent scythe to swap into for that fight.

Ixtab WAR can also freely spam Upheaval with MNKs using SS and DRG using Penta.

Ixtab has been wrecking our parses on Tojil.

[kenshyn]

Ixtab WAR can also freely spam Upheaval with MNKs using SS and DRG using Penta.

Ixtab has been wrecking our parses on Tojil.

Oh man I love that great Axe it is pure sex in a weapon best thing SE has ever gave me as a reward....