Delve

[Atoreis]

I just want to point out what make me laugh everytime I read it here:
"New weapons are needed to beat new content because HP of those mobs is 5-10 times higher than it used to be till now"

New weapons have 30-70% ( thats kinda blind shot but I dont really want to check exact values) more base dmg. Overall dmg increase is actually less because of WSC being a part of WS dmg and fSTR being a part of white damage and dropping ODD/Hidden effects in many cases ( Like for example Ukonvasara with 30% ODD is more like 200 dmg weapon so increase in white damage is something around 27% with Razorfury and WS dmg might be even less since Ukko is generally better WS than Uph outside of MS )

This will obviously varies a lot but gain from those weapons is not ( beside H2H) that significant to make big changes in fight duration. If the fight takes like 15 min now it will take maybe 11-12 with new weapons ( Not all damage comes from melee DDs too and magic damage wasnt boosted significantly by new weapons ).

So I would say - No, new weapons arent the key to win those fight. There is something else we havent known yet or those fights are just made to be long. Personally I would try Magic Burst on mobs that have resistance. I would also try MBing with SMNs. I remember some ridiculous dmg made by Nirvana SMN with MB Thunderstorm.

[macross]

Yeah even a 231 gaxe doesn't majorly eclipse ukon hehe. A bit underwhelming really, but that's just cause upheaval sucks ass. Raging rush putting up decent numbers with it though, but upheaval more consistant. Shoha should be great though, and a ruinator axe likely as well. Granted I only got rank1 in upheaval atm and non optimal vit gear, it's still pretty gimp.

Hope they go through with their plans and I can ukko withit, then it would be really lol.

[Atoreis]

Even with super gear it wont be much more.
Lets say You have 150 VIT and cant bumb it to 200.
You WS dmg will raise by 10% with 231Gaxe. Nothing game breaking really.
Also from what I understand most useful WS now for WAR is Steel Cyclone :D:D:D

[Damane]

Even with super gear it wont be much more.
Lets say You have 150 VIT and cant bumb it to 200.
You WS dmg will raise by 10% with 231Gaxe. Nothing game breaking really.
Also from what I understand most useful WS now for WAR is Steel Cyclone :D:D:D

Metatron Torment!

[Atoreis]

Metatron Torment!

I havent known that this update that let You transfer your Relic WS to 231 gaxe already took place :D

[Jem]

Regarding the Naakual NM's at the end of Delve. You don't need to kill the other NM's to access them. We didn't kill any NM inside yesterday, was just pew pewing NQ mobs and kiting/sac'ing any NM's that aggroed. Eventually the route to the Naakual opened up still though (~15 mins left)

No idea what triggered it. If we could force that to happen quickly without killing other NMs, it would be theoretically possible to try bumrush straight to the Naakual. Not sure if it would have a negative effect in the fight though.

[macross]

Even with super gear it wont be much more.
Lets say You have 150 VIT and cant bumb it to 200.
You WS dmg will raise by 10% with 231Gaxe. Nothing game breaking really.
Also from what I understand most useful WS now for WAR is Steel Cyclone :D:D:D

war/thf are for pickup groups!

should I even bother getting more ranks in upheaval?

[Toth]

So wait, help me understand this please. If I somehow got the new 146 H2H, how much more powerful would my Stringing Pummels and SS be over my current sexy Tlalopias? It would be THAT substantial?

[kenshyn]

So wait, help me understand this please. If I somehow got the new 146 H2H, how much more powerful would my Stringing Pummels and SS be over my current sexy Tlalopias? It would be THAT substantial?

plugging the numbers in the spreadsheet its insane 4017 > 2843 yeah thats beyond sick if I did it right lol for sp.

ss
3903 > 3034...

Total dps 694 > 477 which is substantial faster attacking with those h2h with that damage is pretty insane....

Guess I will have to level mnk on my mule that got the d74 seems a waste to not to do that lol ugh 1 -> 99 here I come....

[Treize Kordero]

plugging the numbers in the spreadsheet its insane 4017 > 2843 yeah thats beyond sick if I did it right lol for sp.

ss
3903 > 3034...

Total dps 694 > 477 which is substantial faster attacking with those h2h with that damage is pretty insane....

SOLD!!! Time to do Delve :D

[kenshyn]

The rigors B are a nice boost as well at d101 dly 60 +15 acc : autmaton +20 acc, racc. mac still far below Oat but nice ahead of the d74....

[TacoTaru]

I see a lot of people saying Salv2/NNI/Meebles are dead now, but aside from weapons (and granted we don't know all the augments for armor yet) only a couple of pieces are really killing all of this old gear. In Motenten's spreadsheets I still have a lot of Salv2/NNI gear relevant. Are people meaning it's irrelevant because it's more efficient to farm this first than do the other stuff, or do they straight up mean it's irrelevant period, because if it's the latter I'm not seeing it.

[kenshyn]

I see it as major upgrade vs minor upgrade a mnk getting 146 damage H2H is a massive increase in dps over any single piece of armor gear in game.

[Therin]

Yes, there are pieces from Salvage and NNI that are still best in slot but given how Delve was just introduced and has already made quite a bit of it pointless, I think everything is susceptible to being replaced right now. I imagine you'd have trouble finding people for any of that stuff now with the expansion in full force.

[Fake]

Also don't forget that most (all?) of that gear can be further augmented with shit like accuracy, which is currently the most lacking thing since we're struggling to cap accuracy on lots of NMs with sushi and acc songs.

Currently the optimum gear sets for delve will vary massively from the optimum gear sets for salvage v2/odin v2/meebles

[Atoreis]

Hachiman Domaru +1 SAMs are probably laughing at playerbase WSing in acc gear! :D

[kenshyn]

Hachiman Domaru +1 SAMs are probably laughing at playerbase WSing in acc gear! :D

Nah /thf is laughing at peeps ws in acc gear welcome back to 2003/4....

[Toth]

plugging the numbers in the spreadsheet its insane 4017 > 2843 yeah thats beyond sick if I did it right lol for sp.

ss
3903 > 3034...

Total dps 694 > 477 which is substantial faster attacking with those h2h with that damage is pretty insane....

Guess I will have to level mnk on my mule that got the d74 seems a waste to not to do that lol ugh 1 -> 99 here I come....

Yeah that is really nice but not game changing thankfully. I am already soloing Ts and VTs quickly with my sexy claws so though the Rigors are my def goal ATM, I can be happy with what I have right now.

[Arthars]

okay guys... type B's 3rd augment unlocks at Rank 6 and its 1 Dex

gotta remake to type A nao ._.

i assume type C is agi cos of evasion...

[Kogenta]

does everyone in the ally get the KI upon defeating a field NM even if didnt kill a naakual? Sorry for the question but it's not clear in the Delve page if there is some requirement to gain the clear KI and then access to weapons from the NPC.