Delve

[chichicha]

In my mind, I always thought that GEO/BLM is a better choice. For extra stun, extra ES Impact, besides of all the GEO Debuffs abilities.

After last week, joining some PUG to Tojil, when I was whispering (/tell) with some GEOs, they always pointing this task to RDM, and saying that /RDM49 gives them better survival. (Cure 4 , I guess...)
For survival, I thought that /SCH with Light Arts give them better Stoneskin and better Cure III (shorter recast, high healing skills) + Regen II ?

But then... when I come to think of the party setup, if SCH and RDM do their jobs right (Silence and Stun all moves from Tojil), why would they get hit from AoE ?
(and if they can always help stun also, again if standing close to see the animation starts.)
The setup in their party mostly as SCH SCH RDM BRD GEO GEO.
RDM and BRD MP refresh, they should not have any issue with MP right?

Debuffs for 2 GEOs is always Def down, Eva down, Mag eva down, and Mag acc up (This free up a GEO to stay out of AoE range right ?)

Hmm... I have been away for games a few weeks.
Since updates, I see that many GEO99/RDM49 x 2 to go Tojil nowadays. I must be wrong with those thoughts.

p.s.
Just did a low sample -
/RDM49
2 Cure III made 444 HP recovered (MP Cost 92) 1 Cure IV made 404 HP recovered (MP Cost 88). (Recast are approx. 4sec on both)

/SCH49
2 Cure III made 574 HP recovered (MP Cost 84) Recast 2 sec

[dasva]

well everyone knows /sch will do bigger cures. Stoneskin will be the same though seeing as a naked mnk/rdm could almost cap that at 75.

Counter argument I am curious though how a -10% cast time litterally halfed the recast compared to another 15% fast cast. Regardless if you care about recasts you should be hasting yourself on /rdm. /rdm has alot more mp to work phalanx, casts faster, and mdb. Oh and dispel without having to change arts

[Damane]

In my mind, I always thought that GEO/BLM is a better choice. For extra stun, extra ES Impact, besides of all the GEO Debuffs abilities.

After last week, joining some PUG to Tojil, when I was whispering (/tell) with some GEOs, they always pointing this task to RDM, and saying that /RDM49 gives them better survival. (Cure 4 , I guess...)
For survival, I thought that /SCH with Light Arts give them better Stoneskin and better Cure III (shorter recast, high healing skills) + Regen II ?

But then... when I come to think of the party setup, if SCH and RDM do their jobs right (Silence and Stun all moves from Tojil), why would they get hit from AoE ?
(and if they can always help stun also, again if standing close to see the animation starts.)
The setup in their party mostly as SCH SCH RDM BRD GEO GEO.
RDM and BRD MP refresh, they should not have any issue with MP right?

Debuffs for 2 GEOs is always Def down, Eva down, Mag eva down, and Mag acc up (This free up a GEO to stay out of AoE range right ?)

Hmm... I have been away for games a few weeks.
Since updates, I see that many GEO99/RDM49 x 2 to go Tojil nowadays. I must be wrong with those thoughts.

p.s.
Just did a low sample -
/RDM49
2 Cure III made 444 HP recovered (MP Cost 92) 1 Cure IV made 404 HP recovered (MP Cost 88). (Recast are approx. 4sec on both)

/SCH49
2 Cure III made 574 HP recovered (MP Cost 84) Recast 2 sec

/blm on geo is really only needed if you have to stun, which is pointless when you have 2 sch/blm.

you dont need ES to land impact on Geo.

/rdm is by far the best choice unless you need to watch over people (then its /whm).
it allows you to debuff mobs, land impact without running out totally of MP, being a puller etc.

/blm only offer stun thats it.

[Darkmagi]

ES is very helpful for impact, it's quite prone to partial resists and you want a reliable duration if it's going to be an important spell to cast.

[Damane]

ES is very helpful for impact, it's quite prone to partial resists and you want a reliable duration if it's going to be an important spell to cast.

its helpfull but not needed at all, last time impact resisted fully for me was on kurma. Geo m.acc /m.eva down debuffs and whole lot of m.acc gear on your impact set makes it land pritty much unresistent all the time on almost anything.

[Shenrien]

ES isn't required for any of the delve NMs, our LS's GEO's lands Impact on just about every delve NM unresistant every time they cast.

[chichicha]

Thanks, guys for clearing this up

[Ophannus]

SCH can also Impact, usually after Embrava i'll throw up a Focalization+Impact, usually don't even need ES with a Tamaxchi+Focalization. Not sure how much Focalization lands but it's pretty noticable. Some people suspect +5 but usually the initial potency of a merit ability is more potent than the subsequent upgrades. SCHs out there should put at least 1 merit in that shit.

[Bored]

Our LS has been focused on Tojil, havent tried bee/shark yet. But now that we all have all the drops from tojil we are going after bee then shark. Ive went back and read through quite a bit on them but seeing if i got the strats down.
For bee we will use
Mnk drk drg cor whm brd
Mnk mnk drk cor whm brd
Pld geo geo whm rdm sch
T1 ws dark/lights
T2 no ws, tp on chap ws t1
T3 dia rdm 1hr stun at 30%
T4 debuff crappy spells
T5 debuff 20 kill
B stun reset move, 1hr at 75%

Just confirming if correct from the notes/comments on here.
We only have 2rng relics in LS so plan to try melee way 1st and if fails will pickup 2 more.

[Michelob]

Make sure your melee are completely stacked with accuracy if you're going for the melee strat on bee.

[Bored]

25% hp not 75%. I meant to say to try to get past the DT

[Bored]

If theres anything i missed on that, plz feel free to add what im missing.
Dia spam boss on aura, loads of acc, anything else worth mention? Like maybe a job change somewhere besides rngs.

[Dotsudoku]

I don't see you clearing the whole zone without Mura SAMs and/or RNG. Your gnat fight is going to be hell

[Bored]

Ok forgot about the mura sams, we have 2, 1 is a drk so easy swap, the other a mnk. So it fits in.
Mnk sam drg cor whm brd
Mnk sam drk cor whm brd.

Ty

[Dotsudoku]

I'd swap out the remaining DRK for an additional DRG or MNK, personally. DRK really brings nothing to do the table.

[Damane]

Our LS has been focused on Tojil, havent tried bee/shark yet. But now that we all have all the drops from tojil we are going after bee then shark. Ive went back and read through quite a bit on them but seeing if i got the strats down.
For bee we will use
Mnk drk drg cor whm brd
Mnk mnk drk cor whm brd
Pld geo geo whm rdm sch
T1 ws dark/lights
T2 no ws, tp on chap ws t1
T3 dia rdm 1hr stun at 30%
T4 debuff crappy spells
T5 debuff 20 kill
B stun reset move, 1hr at 75%

Just confirming if correct from the notes/comments on here.
We only have 2rng relics in LS so plan to try melee way 1st and if fails will pickup 2 more.

we went with:
mnk mnk (any slashing job war drk or sam) brd cor whm
rng rng rng (all relic gun) brd cor (insert 4. rng or whm or anything else you deem usefull)
sch sch geo geo rdm pld

you will have a hard time on the gnat and bee with that setup. rngs tear it appart mixed with other melees. while your setup makes the scorp somewhat easier (the mixed setup suffers from the scorp a bit) the gnat will be your bane.

also make sure to alternat formless on gnats between the mnks so you have all forms of dmg mixed.

[Taint]

I'd do Shark first and get the SAM Tsurumaru for sure.

[Helel]

Can get rid of the SAMs and do RNGx3 MNKx2 DRGx1 for DDs. I've already stated multiple times that you do not need relic gun for the bee. Surefire/donderbuss work fine if /DRG (maybe /WAR works too idk). We also only have 2 relic RNG, but we still use RNG method. That said, you may want to clear shark for access to better bullets. Shark fight is more like tojil, and you should have 0 issues if you have mura SAM.

Edit: forgot to mention that we do RNGx3 + GEO in RNG pt instead of 4 RNG.

[Zirael]

Can get rid of the SAMs and do RNGx3 MNKx2 DRGx1 for DDs. I've already stated multiple times that you do not need relic gun for the bee. Surefire/donderbuss work fine if /DRG (maybe /WAR works too idk). We also only have 2 relic RNG, but we still use RNG method. That said, you may want to clear shark for access to better bullets. Shark fight is more like tojil, and you should have 0 issues if you have mura SAM.

Edit: forgot to mention that we do RNGx3 + GEO in RNG pt instead of 4 RNG.

RNG party GEO does ATK+/ACC+?

[Bored]

Ok. Yea think we will do that, we have 1gun 1bow rngs and enough rngs with surefire to just do that, and mnk sam drg in the other pt. So just /drg for those rngs and /war is fine for the relics im assuming?

So shark 1st is the idea then. Reading over most looks like same setup for tojil but sams instead of drk that have mura.?
And our mnks /run.

T1 balance dmg formless with ws.
T2 zerg run on doom
T3 silence zerg?
T4 crit hit zerg
T5 magic it until 0 then melee?
B no clue yet havent read on what to do here except theres 1tp move followed up by another thats deadly.

If youhappen to know the page its on with the info on this, what we should stun sleep etc. started at page 100 havent seen any info yet.