Delve

[Revati]

Just from reading about the fights it doesnt't look like they were hard before. It looked like having the best gear no exceptions and 17 other people that aren't drooling on themselves was the challenge.

[Fake]

Not for everyone or even every server. We just got first NA Tojil win a week or 2 ago. Still not sure any other ls has done it let alone shout groups. Not sure about the other megabosses. Never see shouts for them though

Doesn't change the fact they've lowered the ceiling by a lot and now a lot of competant ls will find the current top tier content completely trivial (you could argue it was before but its easier now).

I don't think anybody is particularly upset about what they've done, its the fact there is going to be a period of several months with no remotely challenging content. It shouldn't be for everyone, there should be content aimed at better players/linkshells or they're going to get bored.

[Helldemon]

At any rate, for Dakuwaqa, the theory is:

100% - 75% HP: Resistant to blunt damage, susceptible to piercing damage
74% - 50% HP: Resistant to piercing damage, susceptible to blunt damage
49% - 25% HP: Resistant to magic damage, susceptible to slashing damage
<25% HP: Resistant to slashing damage, susceptible to magic damage

The other two parts I'm not positive about, but maybe people have some idea or can use logs to confirm/reject the theory?

I can vouch for him being susceptible to piercing the first 25%, no more then a 50% bonus though, maybe only 25% but not sure. I would say he takes -50% though to piercing during 74-50%.

[Therin]

I can vouch for him being susceptible to piercing the first 25%, no more then a 50% bonus though, maybe only 25% but not sure. I would say he takes -50% though to piercing during 74-50%.

Agreed with what I've seen on DRG.

Taint - we just use a BLU. No need for Mura in Foret (thought it seems to still be useful for Mastop).

[Foldypaws]

Just from reading about the fights it doesnt't look like they were hard before. It looked like having the best gear no exceptions and 17 other people that aren't drooling on themselves was the challenge.

You'd be amazed how hard it is to find even like, 6 people who aren't drooling on themselves. Lord knows we have a core of 6-8 we can count on and then the rest is just a total crapshoot.

[Revati]

That was my point D: We lose NNI 80 half the time from randumbs that won't stay for regen on kill floors then run off and die. Can't even imagine getting 18 working second shift.

[Tymon]

Muyingwa is an absolute joke, easier than the scorpion and Mastop. Dies in under 6 minutes with virtually no effort expended other than stunning.

Anyone who can clear 5NM should be able to do this if they have even 2 RNG

[Arthars]

Here was their theory on Muyingwa:

100% - 75% HP: Resistant to piercing damage, susceptible to blunt damage
74% - 50% HP: Resistant to magic damage, susceptible to slashing damage
49% - 25% HP: Resistant to slashing damage, susceptible to magic damage
<25% HP: Resistant to blunt damage, susceptible to piercing damage

Obviously on top of all this is the fact that he becomes very resistant to all kinds of damage except ranged attacks as the fight goes on. Again, this is just a theory as posted on the JP wiki, don't take it as fact.

apparantly, according to some JP findings, it seems DRG's piercing damage is "broken" because a thf can still do serious good damage like rng during last 25%

personally dont wanna bring a thf... so.... someone can feel free to test this

i personally think its because of the insane amt of DT- at last 25% which makes drg 1 hit already low damage vs dual knife pokes, which makes thf ends up more dps...

aside from muyingwa, all other NMs drops 2 times faster tho, except for mastop which is still a 5-7 mins fight(depending on slowga) for pure melee setup

muyingwa wing just dropped to 5m... even lower than horn now fuck youuuu

[Therin]

apparantly, according to some JP findings, it seems DRG's piercing damage is "broken" because a thf can still do serious good damage like rng during last 25%

personally dont wanna bring a thf... so.... someone can feel free to test this

i personally think its because of the insane amt of DT- at last 25% which makes drg 1 hit already low damage vs dual knife pokes, which makes thf ends up more dps...

aside from muyingwa, all other NMs drops 2 times faster tho, except for mastop which is still a 5-7 mins fight(depending on slowga) for pure melee setup

muyingwa wing just dropped to 5m... even lower than horn now fuck youuuu

I don't think DRG was that bad.. still seeing 1.2-1.5k Stardivers on it just a few minutes ago near the end of the fight.

Not very good, but hardly gimped to the point where we should be worrying about it.

[Squah]

Magic evasion seems to play a pretty large role in resisting shit >_> like 90% of the Marine Mayhems I ate on MNK today (3 runs) did under 200 damage (with Whirlpool/Manibozho Body/Nahtirah for meva, forgot Mani feet/hands). Saw several for 60~ and only one half resist at 500~ or so, and that was the highest it did.

[NynJa]

are people seriously commenting on the usage of stun bots, after all the people were using bots at kings n shit?

[grevenilvec75]

Not everyone did kings, even if they did, that shit was years ago.

I wasnt around back then but i'm willing to bet most people wanted SE to change the content to not require stunbots.

[Yeager]

*sigh*

All I can say right now....

[grevenilvec75]

not sure if that is directed at me, but i'm willing to bet if you posted a poll asking if people wanted kings changed back to the way they were you'd get 99% opposed. KB lines are nothing compared to once-per-week bullshit or whatever it was.

[Yeager]

not sure if that is directed at me, but i'm willing to bet if you posted a poll asking if people wanted kings changed back to the way they were you'd get 99% opposed. KB lines are nothing compared to once-per-week bullshit or whatever it was.

Was not directed at you, sorry.

Was just a general *sigh* regarding Delve, is all.

[dasva]

Not everyone did kings, even if they did, that shit was years ago.

I wasnt around back then but i'm willing to bet most people wanted SE to change the content to not require stunbots.

Well according to SE you don't need to stun and we aren't fighting how it was intended lol

[Damane]

Well according to SE you don't need to stun and we aren't fighting how it was intended lol

considering you could go now with more defensive buffs and debuffs and still mainting good DPS i could see boss wins without the need of stun

[Rhiannon2]

are people seriously commenting on the usage of stun bots, after all the people were using bots at kings n shit?

I didn't see anybody castigating their usage here. Personally, I don't care if people use them or not. I fully understand why they do. But I can say with reasonable confidence that many more use them than they would ever let on, both on these forums and to their LS.

[Dotsudoku]

I can't see Tojil being possible without stun. Leave the aura up, your frontline gets wiped out; take the aura down, your backline gets wiped out.

Dakuwaqa seems similarly unlikely because of <insert action here> -> Tidal Guillotine

Muyingwa is probably possible

[Slycer]

I can't see Tojil being possible without stun. Leave the aura up, your frontline gets wiped out; take the aura down, your backline gets wiped out.

Dakuwaqa seems similarly unlikely because of <insert action here> -> Tidal Guillotine

Muyingwa is probably possible

Tidal Guillotine's random KO sucks, but I'm sure Tojil would be possible. You'd need to have a dedicated tank so that Stasis only hits one person, you'd need to drop the aura, and you'd need non-tank people who aren't trying to drop the aura to run out when the aura is up. Serration can be sacrificed off, Tyrannical is only plague, and you'd need to dispel Shell quickly (with DDs turning off until spikes were off). Certainly it would be a more complicated fight, but not impossible. I believe he can try Lahar randomly below 50% even with the aura off, but if so, it's not frequent, and with a dedicated tank, the others could run out if necessary. For all of the bosses, their nukes become super gimp once they have no aura so those become irrelevant.

Re: Guillotine, someone may want to figure that crap out. I've seen it KO people from full or very nearly full HP if it gets off, so I don't think it's HP-based.