Delve

[Taint]

Are the normal mobs inside the Fracture soloable?

Yes. They do seem to get harder as time goes on. (eye balling)
Since everyone benefits from doing a run, its really easy to make a shout pty/alliance.

Your only issue might be avoiding the NMs.

[Carraway]

Is it required to have E/R/M for Delve? Because doing Skirmish on Asura is nigh impossible... barely anyone is doing this new content, save a few shouts for delve.

I am essentially a new player; I resubbed at level 85 cap late March. You do need a certain level of gear to be competitive (and the appropriate gearsets), but you don't need REM/S. It also depends on which jobs you're playing; PLD does probably need Ochain/Aegis to be useful against Delve NMs. For plasm-farming, I play WAR with an NQ Hatzoaar; for easy NMs, same thing; for more difficult/annoying ones, SAM/THF with a Tomonari.

[Slycer]

So I was staring at the list of purchasable armor/weapons/accessories and I kept thinking to myself “why are they randomly ordered like this with no apparent organization by alphabetizing, point values, armor type, etc.?”

Then I realized…it’s not random at all. The organization is set by what NM drops what, in tier order.

Someone can check my analysis of this, but I’m nearly 100% sure this is correct. The only thing that may be wrong is the order in which they were edited into the wiki, in which case some of the stuff may be slightly off. I think it’s correct though. I can personally verify at least 3 of them and I can’t contradict any, which is not likely a coincidence.

Alizarin:
I (Volatile Matamata): Mikinaak Gauntlets / Manibozho Brais / Zoran’s Belt
II (Perdurable Raptor): Manibozho Beret / Bokwus Boots / Bladeborn Earring
III (Shimmering Tarichuk): Bokwus Robe / Lifestorm Earring
IV (Tutewehiwehi): Halachuinic Sword / Kiji / Surefire Arquebus / Honed Tathlum
V (Kurma): Bloodbath Axe / Soothsayer Staff / Refraction Cape

Zaffre:
I (Faded Craklaw): Manibozho Gloves / Bokwus Circlet / Psystorm Earring
II (Aberrant Uragnite): Mikinaak Greaves / Bokwus Slops / Mephitis Grip
III (Divagating Jagil): Mikinaak Breastplate / Dudgeon Earring
IV (Nerrivik): Aphotic Kukri / Ophidian Trident / Brethren Axe / Alternator
V (Krabakarpo): Mondaha Cudgel / Speleogen Bow / Asperity Necklace

Celadon:
I (Unfettered Twitherym): Mikinaak Helm / Manibozho Boots / Inquisitor Bead Necklace
II (Supernal Chapuli): Mikinaak Cuisses / Bokwus Gloves / Heartseeker Earring
III (Transcendent Scorpion): Manibozho Jerkin / Steelflash Earring
IV (Mastop): Rigor Baghnakhs / Dimmet Scythe / Yaskomo’s Pole / Contriver’s Cape
V (Tax’et): Bereaver / Uguisumaru / Steadfast Shield / Locus Ring

Anyone find any contradictions?

[Gwynplaine]

Stuff about Delve has been posted on dev discussion:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5702106

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5702176

[Classikmage]

So I was staring at the list of purchasable armor/weapons/accessories and I kept thinking to myself “why are they randomly ordered like this with no apparent organization by alphabetizing, point values, armor type, etc.?”

Then I realized…it’s not random at all. The organization is set by what NM drops what, in tier order.


Someone can check my analysis of this, but I’m nearly 100% sure this is correct. The only thing that may be wrong is the order in which they were edited into the wiki, in which case some of the stuff may be slightly off. I think it’s correct though. I can personally verify at least 3 of them and I can’t contradict any, which is not likely a coincidence.

Alizarin:
I (Volatile Matamata): Mikinaak Gauntlets / Manibozho Brais / Zoran’s Belt
II (Perdurable Raptor): Manibozho Beret / Bokwus Boots / Bladeborn Earring
III (Shimmering Tarichuk): Bokwus Robe / Lifestorm Earring
IV (Tutewehiwehi): Halachuinic Sword / Kiji / Surefire Arquebus / Honed Tathlum
V (Kurma): Bloodbath Axe / Soothsayer Staff / Refraction Cape

Zaffre:
I (Faded Craklaw): Manibozho Gloves / Bokwus Circlet / Psystorm Earring
II (Aberrant Uragnite): Mikinaak Greaves / Bokwus Slops / Mephitis Grip
III (Divagating Jagil): Mikinaak Breastplate / Dudgeon Earring
IV (Nerrivik): Aphotic Kukri / Ophidian Trident / Brethren Axe / Alternator
V (Krabakarpo): Mondaha Cudgel / Speleogen Bow / Asperity Necklace

Celadon:
I (Unfettered Twitherym): Mikinaak Helm / Manibozho Boots / Inquisitor Bead Necklace
II (Supernal Chapuli): Mikinaak Cuisses / Bokwus Gloves / Heartseeker Earring
III (Transcendent Scorpion): Manibozho Jerkin / Steelflash Earring
IV (Mastop): Rigor Baghnakhs / Dimmet Scythe / Yaskomo’s Pole / Contriver’s Cape
V (Tax’et): Bereaver / Uguisumaru / Steadfast Shield / Locus Ring

Anyone find any contradictions?

I know Speleogeon Bow dropped off Nerrivik one time when we were farming the Veil in Foret de Hennetiel.
Other than that I can't dispute/back up much else.

[Slycer]

I know Speleogeon Bow dropped off Nerrivik one time when we were farming the Veil in Foret de Hennetiel.
Other than that I can't dispute/back up much else.

It's possible some of the stuff was switched by people who added them on the wiki since I doubt anyone was thinking about the order. If someone can look on the list at the NPC and confirm the orders of things, I'd imagine those got switched up.

[Classikmage]

It's possible some of the stuff was switched by people who added them on the wiki since I doubt anyone was thinking about the order. If someone can look on the list at the NPC and confirm the orders of things, I'd imagine those got switched up.

I can check out Morimar and Foret, I have both KI's for that, but I don't have KI's for Ceizak yet.

[Classikmage]

Foret de Hennetiel:

Page 1:

Manibohzo Gloves
Bokwus Circlet
Psystorm Earring

Mikinaak Greaves
Bokwus Slops
Mephitis Grip

Mikinaak Breastplate
Dudgeon Earring

Aphotic Kukri
Ophidian Trident
Speleogen Bow

Asperity Necklace
Brethren Axe
Mondaha Cudgel
Alternator

Page 2:

Nothing.

Morimar Basalt Fields:

Page 1:

Mikinaak Gauntlets
Manibohzo Brais
Zoran's Belt

Manibohzo Beret
Bokwus Boots
Bladeborn Earring

Bokwus Robe
Lifestorm Earring

Halachuinic Sword
Kiji
Surfire Arquebus

Honed Tathlum
Bloodbath Axe
Soothsayer Staff
Refraction Cape

Page 2:

Nothing.

That's the exact order they showed up for me at the NPC.

Editing my post to add in tiers, is this more what your thinking Slycer?

The way it was broken up by Classik is off slightly. The tier 3 NMs would just have a body and accessory. Shift the rest down. One NM with 3 weps and an acc, one with 2 weps and an acc (2 weps, 2 acc for Celadon).

EDIT2: Editing spacing for Slycer's last post. Like this?

[Shadida]

Based on the feedback from the devs today it sounds like you're totally right about the order of items in the lists. Tiers 1-2 drop two augmentable head/hands/legs/feet and 1 r/e item. Tier 3 drops 1 weapon, 1 augmentable body, and another r/e. Tiers 4-5 drop two weapons and 1 other r/e item. Mega bosses will drop epic level weapons and r/e items.

[Slycer]

@Classikmage- thanks, that does confirm they were a bit switched up on Wiki for Foret and also shows that Speleogen should be from tier IV as you confirmed it was.

[Shadida]

Only thing I'm not confident about is the weapons that are apparently categorized with T3s - the T1-3 KI doesn't give access to them, has anyone confirmed a T3 dropping weapon?

[Squah]

so basically we're fighting gnat right now, about 90 minutes in or so, its at 30%

throw SMNs at it, thats pretty much it lol. kite it around frontier station and get as many smns as you can. can also get blms with meteor to warp to their HP at the mh in adoulin and spam meteor

[Prothescar]

BLUs work really well on the gnat too. Benthic Typoon and Vanity Dive were both doing 2~3k on each cast.

[Classikmage]

Only thing I'm not confident about is the weapons that are apparently categorized with T3s - the T1-3 KI doesn't give access to them, has anyone confirmed a T3 dropping weapon?

We got a sword last night, from Morimar Veil, but sadly it was late and I can't remember which NM it was from. ><;

[Slycer]

The way it was broken up by Classik is off slightly. The tier 3 NMs would just have a body and accessory. Shift the rest down. One NM with 3 weps and an acc, one with 2 weps and an acc (2 weps, 2 acc for Celadon).

[Classikmage]

Foret de Hennetiel:

Page 1:

Manibohzo Gloves
Bokwus Circlet
Psystorm Earring

Mikinaak Greaves
Bokwus Slops
Mephitis Grip

Mikinaak Breastplate
Dudgeon Earring

Aphotic Kukri
Ophidian Trident
Speleogen Bow

Asperity Necklace
Brethren Axe
Mondaha Cudgel
Alternator

Page 2:

Nothing.

Morimar Basalt Fields:

Page 1:

Mikinaak Gauntlets
Manibohzo Brais
Zoran's Belt

Manibohzo Beret
Bokwus Boots
Bladeborn Earring

Bokwus Robe
Lifestorm Earring

Halachuinic Sword
Kiji
Surfire Arquebus

Honed Tathlum
Bloodbath Axe
Soothsayer Staff
Refraction Cape

Page 2:

Nothing.

That's the exact order they showed up for me at the NPC.

Editing my post to add in tiers, is this more what your thinking Slycer?



EDIT2: Editing spacing for Slycer's last post. Like this?

Fixed?

[Chamaan]

I see a lot of people saying Salv2/NNI/Meebles are dead now, but aside from weapons (and granted we don't know all the augments for armor yet) only a couple of pieces are really killing all of this old gear. In Motenten's spreadsheets I still have a lot of Salv2/NNI gear relevant. Are people meaning it's irrelevant because it's more efficient to farm this first than do the other stuff, or do they straight up mean it's irrelevant period, because if it's the latter I'm not seeing it.

At the very least people will be doing Meebles in Sauro so they can farm Umagrhk. The hair he drops is used in a synth for the new high damage Rng bow.

[Shenrien]

saw a JP with Mikinaak Greaves, Type: A Rank 1 augment was +10 Accuracy, also had the Battleaxe from Mori at Rank 8, 3rd line augment is STR, was at +3.

[pooter01]

Ok, so doing ceizak Delve today, we ended up with cricket and butterflies on us at once. one pld was able to hold each np for most of the fight, and when one died, the other pld held both without too much trouble.

Aside from that, when everything else was floored acc, Staves started hitting more often than other weapons. other very small tests showed one weapon being accurate for a period of time, then flooring. potential of it changing weapon types as it takes dmg from the correct type? we were fighting the cricket btw.

Was very small sample sizes, but potential to look at?

[Kidnoftle]

Yeah....putting Urmagerk matts in a synth is such a dick move on SEs part at this point. It's time/gil consuming enough to get a pop as is.