Delve

[dasva]

Lucky? Anyone with half a brain could get the KI by forming a proper pickup group. The NMs are not difficult with the known gimmicks. Fairly sure only the boss room is locked off though.

I can attest to at the very least moth gimmick not working as well for some groups as others. Like fought it 3 times yesterday and took at least 5 minutes just to get DT down each time. First time was longer but that's because people were derping on the last few exuvaitions. Anyways finally convinced them to use brd SV rotations after dt down and finally getting enough brds to properly do so and got a couple of wins against it inside. Mind you each one was with less than 5 minutes remaining with us waiting holding off farming and just waiting at the wall for it to break and still. This was with an ls that had already done it a few times not a pug. I've seen the raptor which is supposed to be one of the easiest wipe the floor with people a few times. Watched several other groups wiping repeatadly or zombieing at bivouacs on stuff that supposedly isn't hard. The difficultly of the nms doesn't seem to be completely the same for some reason

[dasva]

If there's multiple gimmicks I'm hoping there's a way to safely WS to Chapuli because killing that thing is annoying.

Someone in my ls went around watching jps one night and says that you can ws if you eat Gysahl Greens... not sure if true though

[Jem]

I can attest to at the very least moth gimmick not working as well for some groups as others. Like fought it 3 times yesterday and took at least 5 minutes just to get DT down each time. First time was longer but that's because people were derping on the last few exuvaitions. Anyways finally convinced them to use brd SV rotations after dt down and finally getting enough brds to properly do so and got a couple of wins against it inside. Mind you each one was with less than 5 minutes remaining with us waiting holding off farming and just waiting at the wall for it to break and still. This was with an ls that had already done it a few times not a pug. I've seen the raptor which is supposed to be one of the easiest wipe the floor with people a few times

I keep hearing this so I'll chip in with exactly how we do it.

BRD's spam Elegy + Threnodies on it
Mages spam Dia + Para/Slow/Poison/etc on it
DD's use WS'es with additional effects on it (Gekko, Herculean, Shijin, etc.)

Have all your DD's still wail away on it to feed it TP quick. Every single time we did it last night (4 times) it would spam Exuviation every 4-6 seconds. It was extremely rare it used anything else but Exuviation.

Damage wise I see people say these need buff rotation and Soul Voice and all sorts of stuff. We're lazy as fuck when we do these NM's. COR + BRD + 3 DD's + WHM in the DD parties. No rotation for buffers. No 1 hours. It is very simply a case of keep buffs on DD's and DD's mindlessly zerg it.

Takes ~2 mins to get it to use Exuviation 20 times. Takes 3-5 minutes to down it after that. It has zero possibility of killing you as long as your WHM's keep you topped up. I have never used any form of PDT/MDT against it on DRK and it's never come close to killing me unlike the Chapuli who has killed me several times through hybrid gear.

[Wardeniii]

Someone in my ls went around watching jps one night and says that you can ws if you eat Gysahl Greens... not sure if true though

Best troll ever or worst gimmick ever -- you decide.

[Obsidian]

I keep hearing this so I'll chip in with exactly how we do it.

BRD's spam Elegy + Threnodies on it
Mages spam Dia + Para/Slow/Poison/etc on it
DD's use WS'es with additional effects on it (Gekko, Herculean, Shijin, etc.)

Have all your DD's still wail away on it to feed it TP quick. Every single time we did it last night (4 times) it would spam Exuviation every 4-6 seconds. It was extremely rare it used anything else but Exuviation.

Damage wise I see people say these need buff rotation and Soul Voice and all sorts of stuff. We're lazy as fuck when we do these NM's. COR + BRD + 3 DD's + WHM in the DD parties. No rotation for buffers. No 1 hours. It is very simply a case of keep buffs on DD's and DD's mindlessly zerg it.

Takes ~2 mins to get it to use Exuviation 20 times. Takes 3-5 minutes to down it after that. It has zero possibility of killing you as long as your WHM's keep you topped up (I have never used any form of PDT/MDT against it on DRK and it's never come close to killing me)

How much does Fire Break hit you for?

[Jem]

At work so can't check logs but it's certainly not enough to kill you. Zero DD deaths for us in all our runs on the Moth.

The most damage I've taken from the Moth is ~1200-1300 from Benumbed whatever it's called.

[Slycer]

Re:Jagil, I wouldn't really consider the magic thing a trick, he aligns himself with elements in order (light and dark shoved in after water and before fire) so he becomes weak to the ascendant element and absorbs the current element.

On a related note I'm going through my fight log and I'm noticing that the numbers on the add effect typically trend upward but occasionally drop for some reason (ignoring Solace-skinned numbers where the initial strike hit for 0). Trying to see a trend or correlation with something but I can't find anything.

[Obsidian]

Fire Break typically hits me for 1300-1500 (why I asked), although I don't have an Aegis. In my experience it's the most painful thing it can do (although constantly siphoning all my MP away is pretty obnoxious).

[Asymptotic]

Re:Jagil, I wouldn't really consider the magic thing a trick, he aligns himself with elements in order (light and dark shoved in after water and before fire) so he becomes weak to the ascendant element and absorbs the current element.

On a related note I'm going through my fight log and I'm noticing that the numbers on the add effect typically trend upward but occasionally drop for some reason (ignoring Solace-skinned numbers where the initial strike hit for 0). Trying to see a trend or correlation with something but I can't find anything.

WHM AF3+2 set procs perhaps

[Jem]

We don't have a PLD for the Wamoura. Pretty much (3 DD, COR, BRD, WHM) x2 and I honestly have no idea what we stick in the third party. I think a PLD for holding mobs if necessary, maybe a RDM for spamming debuffs and then mules and/or buffless DDs. I guess THF would go in there too.

Like I say, I've never used PDT/MDT for it or Seigan. Just engage and wail away (Souleater included). Never died, not has any other DD in the group. I assume it just dies too fast to be a threat.

[Slycer]

WHM AF3+2 set procs perhaps

Not zero, I'm talking about slight fluctuations. Like 400 on one hit and then 370 on the next, on the same person. I'm not sure what weekday it was, but it was happening with more than one element anyway.

[Fake]

I can attest to at the very least moth gimmick not working as well for some groups as others. Like fought it 3 times yesterday and took at least 5 minutes just to get DT down each time. First time was longer but that's because people were derping on the last few exuvaitions. Anyways finally convinced them to use brd SV rotations after dt down and finally getting enough brds to properly do so and got a couple of wins against it inside. Mind you each one was with less than 5 minutes remaining with us waiting holding off farming and just waiting at the wall for it to break and still. This was with an ls that had already done it a few times not a pug. I've seen the raptor which is supposed to be one of the easiest wipe the floor with people a few times. Watched several other groups wiping repeatadly or zombieing at bivouacs on stuff that supposedly isn't hard. The difficultly of the nms doesn't seem to be completely the same for some reason

Its almost certainly just a case of a group being fucking terrible if they're wiping to raptor. While it is offensively dangerous to single targets with hate it goes down faster than most NMs.

After killing in the region of 50+ NMs, majority in the field but a decent number in fracture also, I haven't had a single anomalous fight.

[dasva]

I keep hearing this so I'll chip in with exactly how we do it.

BRD's spam Elegy + Threnodies on it
Mages spam Dia + Para/Slow/Poison/etc on it
DD's use WS'es with additional effects on it (Gekko, Herculean, Shijin, etc.)

Have all your DD's still wail away on it to feed it TP quick. Every single time we did it last night (4 times) it would spam Exuviation every 4-6 seconds. It was extremely rare it used anything else but Exuviation.

Damage wise I see people say these need buff rotation and Soul Voice and all sorts of stuff. We're lazy as fuck when we do these NM's. COR + BRD + 3 DD's + WHM in the DD parties. No rotation for buffers. No 1 hours. It is very simply a case of keep buffs on DD's and DD's mindlessly zerg it.

Takes ~2 mins to get it to use Exuviation 20 times. Takes 3-5 minutes to down it after that. It has zero possibility of killing you as long as your WHM's keep you topped up. I have never used any form of PDT/MDT against it on DRK and it's never come close to killing me unlike the Chapuli who has killed me several times through hybrid gear.

Basically what we do except the brds did some requiems too. Not sure if regular mages used anything other than bio/dia. Sch was using helixes. I think eveyrone that had it was using flash which seems to be the most effective. Only could get a couple of DDs to use additional effect ws and I think that was mostly because one of them had an Ukko's lol. I'm guessing the ws ones are decently more effective

As far as the rest yeah we are just really lacking the dmg department. And well had to train the brds yesterday how to brd rotate...


Also you can be killed. At least tarus can . Eaten 400-1400 firebreaks and 1200-1600 benumbing blazes on pld on none raged. Though not much dt at the time. To note I beleive both moves are either physical or hybrid. I've definitely gotten both there dmgs way down with sentinel and once with invincble I took no dmg from benumbing but still got para/silenced. Putting on some dt is fairly useful once it gets lower if you holding and such after DDs died lol. And once I died just to the fact that I was the only one holding it at the time it decided to do a firaga4 right into tp move. But that could've been prevented by a stun or ya know the whms had seen it casting and started curing like I myself did (but pld cure IV doesn't quite do enough lol)

[grevenilvec75]

We don't have a PLD for the Wamoura. Pretty much (3 DD, COR, BRD, WHM) x2 and I honestly have no idea what we stick in the third party. I think a PLD for holding mobs if necessary, maybe a RDM for spamming debuffs and then mules and/or buffless DDs. I guess THF would go in there too.

Like I say, I've never used PDT/MDT for it or Seigan. Just engage and wail away (Souleater included). Never died, not has any other DD in the group. I assume it just dies too fast to be a threat.

These were inside or outside?

[dasva]

Its almost certainly just a case of a group being fucking terrible if they're wiping to raptor. While it is offensively dangerous to single targets with hate it goes down faster than most NMs.

After killing in the region of 50+ NMs, majority in the field but a decent number in fracture also, I haven't had a single anomalous fight.

Clearly things are easier on your server then. Congrats

[Jem]

These were inside or outside?

Inside.

[dasva]

Re:Jagil, I wouldn't really consider the magic thing a trick, he aligns himself with elements in order (light and dark shoved in after water and before fire) so he becomes weak to the ascendant element and absorbs the current element.

On a related note I'm going through my fight log and I'm noticing that the numbers on the add effect typically trend upward but occasionally drop for some reason (ignoring Solace-skinned numbers where the initial strike hit for 0). Trying to see a trend or correlation with something but I can't find anything.

Is there any patterns going on around those dips in the logs? Like maybe it's doing something or someone did something to it? Maybe taking advantage of it's weakness? Hmmm I should start keeping logs

[dasva]

Best troll ever or worst gimmick ever -- you decide.

If it's true both? I mean not sure if losing your food is worth being able to ws lol

[Jem]

I would think it definitely would be worth losing your food for if it's true.

[Seha]

It's hard to believe mainly cause why would someone even think about doing that? Who would bring gysahl along just thinking "ah let's see if this works!"