"Health is a cultural construction, not a “fact” that can be defined in terms of science"

[archibaldcrane]

My wife is down to 123. This is after having a baby 18 months ago. She eats super healthy (beer is only thing she has that isn't healthy), and she never exercises. If you don't have time to workout, then at least eat better.

My wife rarely exercises either, she just doesn't eat to excess.

[BaneTheBrawler]

I had a whole nice post typed out for this thread and my computer picked that time to BSOD, so... yeah. Long post short, don't drop below 1200 calories. Starvation mode may not be real for everyone, but its certainly real for some people. I didn't drop 70 lbs over 2 months and get on disability just because I pooped a lot.

[hey]

I had a whole nice post typed out for this thread and my computer picked that time to BSOD

http://getlazarus.com/download

[kuronosan]

On my phone because BG and half of the internet is blocked at work but Google "starvation mode myth".

Lol ketosis ain't real scientists, ya'll muthafuckas lyin' and gettin' me pissed.

[BaneTheBrawler]

http://getlazarus.com/download

Thanks. I actually like my new post better, though. Also, I realized I misspoke. I didn't lose 70 lbs in 2 months. I "only" lost ~40lbs over those two months. I'd lost the other 30 in an earlier flare, and only gained about 10 lbs back after that one. I started at 220, dropped to ~170, gained back to 180, went a while, dropped down to 140, then gained back to 180, where I'm hovering now.

But yeah. Don't starve yourself if you can avoid it. Shit ain't fun for a lot of reasons.

[Hyan]

It's sad how much trouble people have losing weight.

You don't even have to do any exercise to make it happen. Sure, it's not optimal since you'll still be in shit shape and part of the weight lost was muscle and not fat. But hell if it isn't a much better starting point to lift up your not-so-fat-ass and start the process to becoming more healthy as a whole (at least in the looks department).

What you should do is take steps to ensure that the food you eat is both healthy and tasty. Nothing sucks more than eating food you don't like or that doesn't fill you up. Hunger at any point during the day is a big warning sign. I can't stress enough that healthy food can be incredibly tasty once your body and mind gets used to it. I literally can't stand not having cucumber and tomatoes and lettuce on my plate. After 5 years of having bought maybe ~5 premade meals and ~4 trips to McD's in total I can tell you that what those foods do to my body is ugly. I feel like shit for the rest of the day and anything but full.

If you eat healthy food long enough it simply becomes the only choice for you. You will notice how fast/premade food makes you feel like crap and naturally start to avoid it.

This is something so simple to do that once you give it a few weeks, the process becomes almost automatic and you can simply continue dwelling in your depression or whatever without negative consequences. Watch your calories enough and sooner rather than later you'll "know" how much you can eat, and what you can eat.

Anxiety and depression are my long time friends as well. What helped immensely was researching to let me KNOW wtf I was doing, then applying the results in real life and just letting the magic happen. It is an incredibly satisfying feeling to know that you are in control, and that regardless of what the weigh shows day-to-day, progress happens, and you know why.

Yeah, I'm bored..

[Rhyis.]

Bunch of fat bastards in this thread. Eat a salad motherfuckers.

[Dimmauk]

Speaking of salad, my brother in law lost 40 pounds on the juice diet. He cheated once a day with a salad.

[Brill Weave]

I don't want to an asshole, but I hope you realize how ridiculous it is to generalize like this that "getting over it" is all that needs to be done. If I could just "get over" my anxiety and depression that are most of the reason I can't get out of the slump I'm in, I would have done it a long time ago. Some days it's hard for me to get motivated to get out of bed, some weekends I simply can't and then I sleep for 14 hours. Trust me, I wish "getting over it" was as easy as you make it sound, because I would have done it a long time ago, but for some people there's a hell of a lot more required than just going "oh that guy on the internet told me that's what I had to do so I guess that's what I have to do."

And whose fault is that? I am a former fatty. I know how it feels. But i stopped being a fucking baby and manned up. You're depressed because you're fat and you're fat because you're depressed. You're in a never ending cycle until you get off your ass and do something about it. But you won't. You'll just make more excuses to get that extra large value meal every time.

[Ksandra]

both healthy and tasty

lol

iono dude. I grew up eating unhealthy food. My parents weren't concerned at the time because I was so insanely skinny. Spending 30+ years of eating pizza n' grinders is a really hard habit to break. And I've never found most shit healthy.

lol As I said I have been only feeding my daughter healthy food. First "bad" food she had was a cupcake on her bday and I had to close my eyes during it. lol The other day I tried making spaghetti with turkey meatballs since her doctor suggested it. I actually like turkey, but I thought it tasted like crap. Don't think I can bring myself to make those anymore hahaha -.-;

I do try to limit, but it's just not enough. Anything with beef is with the leanest cuts I can find, and try to use low-fat (not for baby) on other recipes. My big killers are cheese (which I can't find low-fat white cheddar here. Albertson's used to have a store brand of it but I haven't seen it in about 4 years) and bread (hate wheat, but trying to switch over to it 'cause of baby...shit's disgusting though). I eat veggies or popcorn instead of chips. And as I said, cut out soda (have it maybe once a month vs. 4-5 cans a day like I used to).

I think I've kinda reached the limit on what I'm willing to do for crappy-tasting food.

[Ksandra]

And whose fault is that?

Just because someone knows it's their fault doesn't mean they can just "get over it."

I feel the same way as taco. Maybe some people are effected by being punched in the head, others just shut down and don't want to hear it anymore.

[Churchill]

for the millionth time, cutting out fat (especially via meat) has the exact opposite effect people are looking for.

stop doing it, or at least stop telling yourself it is healthy.

[Tyrath]

And whose fault is that? I am a former fatty. I know how it feels. But i stopped being a fucking baby and manned up. You're depressed because you're fat and you're fat because you're depressed. You're in a never ending cycle until you get off your ass and do something about it. But you won't. You'll just make more excuses to get that extra large value meal every time.

I've often been guilty of telling depressed or anxious people to just "get over it" but they really can't. It just doesn't work that way. I have a hard time wrapping my head around it but they can't just "man up and get over it." It's a mental problem and someone else's GO GET 'EM attitude won't make them get over it. Maybe this will help explain a bit. It's long.

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co...-part-two.html

[Churchill]

Saying and reinforcing that you really can't do something is sort of the problem.

Plenty of people decide to do something about it so that's really not a good end all to the discussion.

[Tyrath]

Oh, I absolutely don't think anyone should give up and say they can't do it. I'm just trying to note that there's more factors to it than someone just being fat. They have to tackle those issues one at a time before they will make any progress. And the JUST DO IT mentality doesn't work for everyone. They have to work on their mental self image first (this is not the same as just losing weight) and state of mind first.

[Rhyis.]

I just met a person 2 days ago that was severely brain damaged in a car accident in her youth and is now a well established lawyer. Man up fatties.

[Tajin]

for the millionth time, cutting out fat (especially via meat) has the exact opposite effect people are looking for.

stop doing it, or at least stop telling yourself it is healthy.

Truth bombs up in this motherfucker. Or all the 'light' shit people eats by the mouthful voiding all the light 'benefits'.

[TacoTaru]

You're depressed because you're fat

This isn't almost remotely true and why I posted what I did since I figured that's what you were alluding to. I also never "upsize" anything I order.

But seriously, I have to laugh if you think depression is something you "stop being a fucking baby and man up" to get rid of.

[Brill Weave]

Bottom line is if you do nothing to help yourself that's on you. You can whine and cry all you want about being depressed. But it solves nothing. Everyone is depressed in one way or another. That doesn't mean people just give up, eat until they're 700 pounds and have to have the seats in their Chevy Celebrity specially made because of their fat feel bad for me because I'm so depressed bodies. I have nothing but pity for the mother fuckers that dont even try. Call it harsh but if I can fucking do it when I felt the same way, taking anti depressants because I felt awful, why can't you? Because you lack willpower.

[Brill Weave]

This isn't almost remotely true and why I posted what I did since I figured that's what you were alluding to. I also never "upsize" anything I order.

But seriously, I have to laugh if you think depression is something you "stop being a fucking baby and man up" to get rid of.

Do you take your meds everyday? Do you go to any form of counseling at all? If so then why exactly aren't you mentally capable of taking steps to improve yourself? You're already doing it. Can you remember back to when you were thin? Were you depressed then? I doubt it. Look dude make all the excuses you want. But you're responsible for how you look. I've been where you're at. You're not a unique snowflake. Millions upon millions of people have gone through this and succeeded. But you have to actually try.