Super Smash Bros.

[Ratatapa]

That hair tho

[Cream Soda]

It's a command grab, you can't break it. You can only mash out of regular throws.

hmm I have a number of times though. Still take dmg, but you come off of it like a grab release vs only going half a foot away and falling right into it again

[Kirin]

That hair tho

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http://i.ytimg.com/vi/w39rVpH4L7Q/maxresdefault.jpg

Oh no doubt.

[Cream Soda]

[Kirin]

Big post going on right now at smashboards. Laggy as all hell. There is a full color info book along with a "final" version game demo in Japan. Trying to navigate with information and repost it here.

Smashboards thread: http://smashboards.com/threads/jp-we...-event.366530/
Reddit thread to decrease smashboards failure: http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/co...e_latest_demo/
4chan /v/ has like 6 archived threads to go through as well.

Info book:

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Smashboards currently broken. Keep in mind I am taking this from the internet. Google translate, Reddit, 4chan and 2chan are the main sources. Really trying to only post stuff that looks legit. Pictures and video are forbidden and is apparently being strictly enforced by staff.

Sakurai programmed some J-pop Group (AKB48) into the demo as Mii Fighters. They apparently have a theme song as well. People are reading into the "48" choice as intentional to equate to the number of characters on the final pre-DLC roster.
AKB48 Photo:

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Seems the Smash 3DS XL is coming to NA via a Wal Mart leak. 2 colors: Red and Blue.

Trying to differentiate between re-colors, alt appearances, and alt costumes. Mostly re-colors unless specifically noted. Think Blue Tunic Link = re-color, Dark Link = alt appearance, Fierce Diety Link (Confirmed!) = alt costume.

General Game Tidbits:

- You can cancel run with shield
- All three 3rd party characters unlocked from the get-go. (Sonic, Pac-Man, Mega Man)
- Edge Guarding apparently really nerfed to hell and back.
- Whoever is worried about combos, there are combos
- Conflicting reports about Smash attacks being available in mid-air
- LOTS of conflicting reports of Ridley (well beyond simple trolling). Very few photos of the event are getting out, so that is whatever it is right now.
- A Rhythm Tengoku stage is confirmed and seems to work just like Warioware from Brawl
- The game still has a sense of floatiness to it that is present in brawl (not as much however). It's definitely not like Melee where you drop like bricks.
- Shield rolling is extremely fast and there's a neat little sparkle star effect when you do it and acting out of shield is as well. I think of it like a mini-wave dash. No wave dashing or l-cancelling. Just rolling baby.
- Ledge snap SEVERELY nerfed. It feels like Melee ledge grab. Marth and Shulk have lots of trouble hitting edges because their 2nd jump is a somersault or flip. Animation needs to finish before grabbing edge.

Characters:

- Villager: Up b is the most overpowered recovery I've ever seen.

- Shulk: Monado mode switching is super fast, the way it was revealed is the order it's going to be.
· No wait between switching
· Attacks are super strong, possibly one of the best characters if you switch the modes a lot
· All Shulk's costumes are from Xenoblade's armors, or so i've been told
· One of Shulk's alts. is jungle Shulk, Monado doesn't switch when the costumes switch, just changes color.
· Gaur Plains Has a huge gap in the middle with 4 platforms coming from the sides, as seen in the trailer
· Shulk has amazing spacing options because his Monado reaches so damn far
· Shulks second jump is a somersault.

- Robin: Chrom appears in Robin's victory pose. Sakurai trolling or just fighting for his friends: you decide!
· Robin is FANTASTIC. Magic is not slow, when he has his spell book his attack speed is really good. If you use a smash attack in the air IT USES HIS MAGIC SMASHES. If you use a normal aerial it uses his other weapon.
· Robin's hair model doesn't change. Only color changes.

- Ike (2chan translation)
· 11% in the weak weakened three -stage
· Desu not charged
· Huge gap next to B
· As ever Shi blow
· Counter also weakening probably
· Rumors of a Roy-esque red hair alt appearance.

- Marth: Has his classic outfit as an alt
· Double fair not possible (whatever this means, apparently it has people upset)
· Orange color.

- Lucina: Needs to be unlocked

- Palutena: Smash reach is incredible. Her up smash is the giant pillar laser beam thing. Her side smash moves a bit forward and her wings slap in front of her.
· Viridi re-color

- Pit: No Black color (presumably because of Dark Pit)
· Side b fist has a bad lag if you whiff, big KO power if you hit at higher %s

- Pac-Man: He feels slow, but his attacks felt like they had a good hitbox, because he's really fat and his legs stretch when he kicks. He just felt really interesting to play, but I ended up using his aerials the most because of their hit boxes
· Does not change colors. Changes accessories. No Mrs. Pac-Man confirm, apparently it is a royalties issue.

- Olimar: Alph as a costume.

- Fox: Wolf color scheme (alt costume? Conflicting reports) (possible the poster is confusing it with the black Fox from Brawl).

- Metaknight: He can't rise with his tornado. Shuttle loop is like a shitty Dolphin Slash.
· Down smash is the same speed, but potentially not as much knockback
· Up air more recovery frames.
· https://twitter.com/Papepia/status/508078093617995776
· Metaknight has Dark Metaknight and Galactaknight costumes.

- Kirby: Naked Metaknight appearance.

- Pikachu: Glasses Pikachu confirmed
· Gold/Silver Trainer Cap and X/Y Trainer Hats also confirmed.
· Party Hat Pikachu confirmed.
· Unconfirmed: Raichu/Pichu alt appearance
· Feels a little bit slower

- Charizard: Up throw is seismic toss similar to Kirby's
· Shiny Charizard a color choice
· Purple Charizard is a thing
· White/Gray Charizard too!

- Lucario: Small speed boost for attacks. Otherwise unchanged.

- Link: Fierce Diety Link confirmed (Face changes too)
· White tunic and Purple tunic confirmed
· His down air has less recovery frames, but doesn't have as much knockback.
· Boomerang throwing animation is more reminiscent of how it used to look in 64

-Toon Link: Wind Waker pajamas a costume
· Arrows also have an added fire tip just like Young Link in Melee
· Aerials have much more knockback

- Zelda: Hilda re-color and has received multiple buffs to her specials and tilts
· New Phantom Move: It doesn't hit a character right up in her grill. The phantom spawns maybe a character away, so if your opponent is right up on you, the phantom will just spawn in front of them and whiff.

- Peach: Fire Peach a color swap
· No Daisy skin
· Forward B has BARELY any startup time anymore (the butt slam)
· (Conflicts with above) Peach is unchanged except for her up aerial. It's now a rainbow thing, it has an arched hitbox over the top of her head, she draws it with her hand
· (Conflicts with above) Peach's turnip pull speed is nerfed. She can still move in to float to do things like crown and n-air. Her f-smash goes tennis club, golf club, and frying pan. I believe it's a set order now.

- Bowser: Dry Bones Bowser

- Sanic: Still dies pitifully if you end up in a spin without a jump
· Shadow alt
· Forward b snaps to the ground, it is really fast now.
· U-air is like a scissor kick, has a way better hitbox than the twist kick thing.

- Mega Man: Is a lot better than he was in the E3 demo
· His Crash Bombs actually spike if they explode in mid-air
· No protoman costume, strangely (I actually really wanted this, sad)
· Bass appeared briefly as an AT, he works like Staryu but he aims instead
· Green/Orange, White/Red, Blue/White, Yellow/Black colors.

- Zero Suit Samus: Mostly just color changes so far. Dark blue, really light blue (lighter than her normal costume) green, black, and red.

- Diddy Kong: Unconfirmed mentioned of Diddy still having a Dixie themed alt color.
· Only one banana out at a time. Grabbing a second makes the first disappear.

- Captain Falcon: Side-b conflicting reports of it being changed to only grab + no damage to shortly grabs/hits + damage.
· Up-b goes straight up.

- Ness: But not really Ness. A (Giygas?) AT that turns the stage background into swirling red skulls. Very easy to suicide.
· Fucking awesome. (The AT, no mention of Ness yet) (Kinda sorta confirmed as it is different from the Smash Run giant enemy skulls.)

Think I'm done for the night. Work in the morning and an engagement party to go to tomorrow. Feel free to keep updating with any new (or revised) info.

[Thulius]

hmm I have a number of times though. Still take dmg, but you come off of it like a grab release vs only going half a foot away and falling right into it again

Could be wonky terrain, could be grenades going off as you get grabbed, idk. Can't really say what's happening for sure without seeing it but I'm 100% positive you cannot break that grab without some sort of outside interference.

[Akiyama]

Good shit, Kirin. Thanks a ton!

[Ambrosia]

Yes muchas gracias Kirin! Can't wait!

[Ratatapa]

I wonder how dlc characters will work ( aka buy once for both version or pay twice, once for 3ds once for wiiiu)

[Lucavi]

Welp, I got my Hilda wish, and now Fierce Deity Link.

[Meian]

Liking the nerfs on some of them (Marth, Diddy, etc). But wth that healing ability for Robin, 20%??

The Ness thing lol, I really doubt they'd bring anything Giygas related into the game @_@

[Krandor]

Like how Shulk sounds, me want.

[Genosync]

Looks like my future list of mains is playing out perfectly. Shulk hit that list instantly because of his range.

Anything confirmed about the Circle Pad Pro or whatever it's called? I've got one I ordered coming to me Monday just in case it works for Smash3DS. I'm guessing it does given the detail of the stick working from New3DS but being skeptical just in case.

[Ratatapa]

Looks like my future list of mains is playing out perfectly. Shulk hit that list instantly because of his range.

Anything confirmed about the Circle Pad Pro or whatever it's called? I've got one I ordered coming to me Monday just in case it works for Smash3DS. I'm guessing it does given the detail of the stick working from New3DS but being skeptical just in case.

http://alwaysnintendo.com/smash-bros...ircle-pad-pro/

[SephYuyX]

3DS version will be the WiiU beta.

[Sho]

Thanks for that info bomb, Kirin.

[Genosync]

http://alwaysnintendo.com/smash-bros...ircle-pad-pro/

Nintendo dropping the ball again.

Zero shock.

And yeah, seconding the thanks for the info bomb.

[Elcura]

Now that's some good shit.

- Ike (2chan translation)
· 11% in the weak weakened three -stage
· Desu not charged
· Huge gap next to B
· As ever Shi blow
· Counter also weakening probably
· Rumors of a Roy-esque red hair alt appearance.

Best translation.

[Genosync]

Best translation, worst changes. All that makes Ike seem weaker than before. And he didn't need any kind of nerf.

[Krandor]

Can't really know that considering it's not like we're talking about a changelog in a patch, it's an entirely new game.