Beta 3 impressions and general discussion

[Waraji]

Will be extra hard to sell that HQ Haubergeon Triple Meld I just made since I just put it on, man that Spiritbond and Durability will never go back to the way it was now. Materia price is gonna flat bottom so fast now, since I couldn't ever possibly sell this triple meld, therefore no market for Materia since its so easy to get, and it doesn't break ever.

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[Monkor]

I still don't understand what's supposed to happen to the melded gear market. If all gear is now essentially BoE, materia prices and especially melded gear prices are going to go WAY down.

Materia prices may go up since they have made gear take longer to spiritbond. Granted they also made it much easier to actually obtain the type of materia you want, so maybe it'll be a wash. I think we may just need to wait and see what sort of time investment we're looking at to get those grade 5 materia items spiritbound.

[Enygma55]

Upper tier materia will be at a premium as gear doesn't break on attempt, so people will spam multimelds to hit triple.

[Verb]

I would just say fuck the line and go to wherever it was going. I missed the phase this weekend due to going out of town for family wedding, but I wouldn't stand in a line in game... lol...

EDIT: Only because it just in phase. My name will be different on release date so they wouldn't know who the asshole was that just ran in front of everyone. BTW, what was that line leading to?

EDIT 2: Also did anyone take any PS3 screenshots? I was hearing from a few people that it didn't look near as good as PC.

[Evane]

Will be extra hard to sell that HQ Haubergeon Triple Meld I just made since I just put it on, man that Spiritbond and Durability will never go back to the way it was now. Materia price is gonna flat bottom so fast now, since I couldn't ever possibly sell this triple meld, therefore no market for Materia since its so easy to get, and it doesn't break ever.

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Not necessarily. Yoshi said that All pieces of gear can be converted to any type of materia. DD gears have higher chance at producing DD related materias but we all know how that will work. Convert your 3 cracked materias on that hauberk to skill speed ones. If the amount of skill speed is signifact, keep it. If not, sell it to the misinformed.

[Spider-Dan]

Not necessarily. Yoshi said that All pieces of gear can be converted to any type of materia. DD gears have higher chance at producing DD related materias but we all know how that will work. Convert your 3 cracked materias on that hauberk to skill speed ones. If the amount of skill speed is signifact, keep it. If not, sell it to the misinformed.

Pretty sure he's just being sarcastic, though I'm not sure what his point was.

[Spider-Dan]

Materia prices may go up since they have made gear take longer to spiritbond. Granted they also made it much easier to actually obtain the type of materia you want, so maybe it'll be a wash.

A significant portion of the worth of melded gear was the resale value; used gear now has zero resale value. Similarly, unless you're buying materia to meld into a piece of gear you have no intention of using yourself, materia also has zero resale value (or rather, cannot add resale value to gear that cannot be resold).

I don't know the precise spiritbonding speed now, but offhand, the fact that a) nearly all of the completely useless Coeurl Knuckle III-type materia has been eliminated and b) gear now converts to materia relevant to the classes that can equip it should more than offset the slower SB speed. The loss in resale ability is more substantial.

[Sigmakan]

Savage Might materia is going to cost so much . . . .

[Evane]

Pretty sure he's just being sarcastic, though I'm not sure what his point was.

Didn't follow the conversation from its beginning s he might be. Just to clarify, spirit bond gauge will be reset for all the items at release.

[Kachiko]

Not sure which is the best thread to stick this in here, but, what driver are most people using for their PS3 controller? I'm using Motion Joy but I've never been a big fan of it; any good alternatives or is it still pretty much the one to go to?

[Evane]

I looked for alternatives but couldn't find any. Ended up buying a Logitech controller, no regrets.

[Spider-Dan]

I hear Xbox 360 controllers work (either wired or with the wireless dongle), but I haven't verified it yet.

[Teknique]

Was hoping for a release date for test 2 of phase 3 today but still no luck =/ Official forums still have it TBA
Definitely enjoyed the ps3 version but i wish there was a way to take screenshots without a keyboard as i dont own one currently.

nevermind. Found it/
June 21, 2013 (Friday), 2:00 a.m. to June 23, 2013 (Sunday), 2:00 a.m. (PDT)
June 21, 2013 (Friday), 9:00 a.m. to June 23, 2013 (Sunday), 9:00 a.m. (GMT)

[Gokulo]

The date is there on Beta forums, lol. Same time as last weekend (which means I'm gonna miss 3/4 of it, boohoo)

[ArchDizzle]

I hear Xbox 360 controllers work (either wired or with the wireless dongle), but I haven't verified it yet.

They work perfectly.

[Tsakiki]

Not sure which is the best thread to stick this in here, but, what driver are most people using for their PS3 controller? I'm using Motion Joy but I've never been a big fan of it; any good alternatives or is it still pretty much the one to go to?

I switched to the Scarlet Crush drivers and have been very happy. All the problems/irritations I had had with Motionjoy were solved by this.

Link: http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-XInpu...DS2-Controller

[Spider-Dan]

Are you talking about wireless PS3 controllers? Do they use standard bluetooth or do you need a special dongle?

[Gokulo]

Are you talking about wireless PS3 controllers? Do they use standard bluetooth or do you need a special dongle?

Even using it with cable, DS3 needs special drivers/tools to work on PS. As for the dongle, from what I heard a standard one works.

[Monkor]

A significant portion of the worth of melded gear was the resale value; used gear now has zero resale value. Similarly, unless you're buying materia to meld into a piece of gear you have no intention of using yourself, materia also has zero resale value (or rather, cannot add resale value to gear that cannot be resold).

I don't know the precise spiritbonding speed now, but offhand, the fact that a) nearly all of the completely useless Coeurl Knuckle III-type materia has been eliminated and b) gear now converts to materia relevant to the classes that can equip it should more than offset the slower SB speed. The loss in resale ability is more substantial.

Agreed. I'm not at all in disagreement about the resale market being scrapped by this change.

Your point,

If all gear is now essentially BoE, materia prices and especially melded gear prices are going to go WAY down.

may be off though, because the materia market supply is likely to change. Yes, you won't be able to resell that triple-meld you used, but that would also have the effect of increasing the demand for tier-5 materia since any that gets used will be gone from the market.

The melded gear market may not be changed much, because players may still want to buy that gear, and the fact that you can't resell it will pull all of the used gear out of the market for good, thus increasing the demand. This all hinges on the melded gear being worthwhile to use over dungeon drops of course and I haven't gone through the dat farmed gear stats yet so I'm just speculating.

Also keep in mind, people may burn through materia trying to get a fully-melded piece, depending on the success rate SE have implemented on the pieces with the most materia slots, and just how many slots there are. With the risk of losing your gear gone, there's no reason to hesitate going for that extra meld since you're only losing the materia with a failure. Melded gear may also become more in demand depending on the different fights, since you may want to meld different materia in a piece depending on the fight; again it's just speculation since we don't have any idea what things will look like at end-game.

The SB/Materia changes may not affect the market since:
- SE removed the completely worthless materia, potentially making all material worthwhile in some way.
- made the most desirable materia potentially more difficult to obtain due to longer SB requirements, and the fact you can't get used melded gear.
- potentially made a lower supply of materia because once that gear is used, it's gone from the market.



Apologies if this is a mess and jumps from one point to another, but I tend to move thoughts around as I go, and it may not flow as well as I originally thought.

[Raldo]

Has anyone looked at what xivdb has mined for the stats of the White Ravens? What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ps7267517e.png

I hope that's wrong (and I don't even have them).