Spider-Man: Homecoming (July 7, 2017)

[Alistaire]

Just movie execs scared of it being less revenue. If grownups are still going to all these PG comic book movies why make R rated ones that grab the same grownup crowd, but lose out on the kids?

[Hirronimus]

Because Deadpool, that's why. Precedent.

[DrClout]

Not gonna lie. I read maybe half of the first sentence. The short answer to everything you've said is that America has gotten soft over the years and the same thing that flew then can't fly now. Queue any Soccer Mom and Social Justice Warrior theme music.

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[Iono]

For a Netflix series marketed to a more mature audience? Sure.

For mass market we want all the money and we want it now? Hell nah.

High hopes for Punisher cuz of this!

[Hirronimus]

Not gonna lie. I read maybe half of the first sentence. The short answer to everything you've said is that America has gotten soft over the years and the same thing that flew then can't fly now. Queue any Soccer Mom and Social Justice Warrior theme music.

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Pretty much.

[Krandor]

Because Deadpool, that's why. Precedent.

You're talking about a movie with a very different source material and a different target audience.

Deadpool also made far more money then anyone had any right to expect, and shouldn't (even though it will be) used as an excuse to make other movies R Rated when their really isn't any reason for it.

And it has nothing to do with being soft. R Rated movies make less money, period. This is an absolute proven fact and has been for years. Adjusted for inflation Deadpool sits in the 150 all time domestic gross range, and is tops all time for R rated movies.

[Hirronimus]

Period. I love when people use that as if what they are saying is an absolute truth. Are you telling me you would be against an R Rated Spider-Man film involving Venom and Carnage? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that majority of people on these very forums, share in to some extent similar likes towards these franchises. We may not agree on who should play the part or if plot made sense, but I think most would prefer the movie iterations stay true or at least as close to true form of original material as possible. Robocop worked as an R Rated movie when it first came out, it's reboot in the new millenium was watered down to appease and pander to the sensibilities of new generation.

Now, what the studio execs do with the characters and stories, is completely up to them. I'm sure they have people who test the audiences before figuring out what to do or maybe I am giving them too much credit. And yes, some execs will have the wrong take away from Deadpool and run with it, for example Suicide Squad (BluRay version, no?) and Wolverine 2. Don't get me wrong, if a movie has been lowered to PG-13 for the sake of selling more tickets, it doesn't mean I won't watch it or it will be worse. In all fairness idgaf about ratings. To me they are never an indicator of a good movie. But as a fan, it rustles my jimmies when bullshit like ratings impede a movie from being more than what it is.

[Krandor]

Have you read a Spider-Man comic before in your entire life? There is literally no reason to make an R Rated Spider-Man movie, the character and his stories simply have no use for it. Yes even Carnage or Venom. Randomly shoehorning in a higher rating because omg I want blood or boobies is exactly what people have said they don't want following the success of Deadpool

Your argument of "people on these very forums" is astoundingly flawed as well. No shit a group made primarily of 20+ nerds would want to see that kind of stuff. However, BG forums is not representative of the movie going audience as a whole, believe it or not. Your point of Robocop is far off base as well, because the lower rating had no part in what was wrong with the new film. It completely missed the entire point of the original and just turned it into a dumb action movie.

[Hirronimus]

Typical "I'm right you're wrong" response as expected.

No clearly, I did not read a single Spider-Man comic in my life. (Sarcasm) A simple google search just to prove my point revealed this.
http://comicsrecommended.com/images/...006-bloody.jpg
Because clearly, noone gets killed in Spider-Man comic books.

The point is not aboout "shoehorning" an R Rating, the DISCUSSION is about whether or not to get right feel of Venom/Carnage, the movie would probably have to be R Rated. Which more than likely won't happen because as you pointed out, tickets.

As for my statement about these forums. Well, I am posting on this forum and I am talking about people on THIS forum and I am implying a characteristic about people on THIS forum. My sentence did not say "hey guys, can you believe what the people on other forums said about Spider-Man movie? They could not be more wrong." And YOU are wrong in saying we do not represent, even if a small portion, of a movie going demographic that watches these films.

Robocop worked as an R Rated movie when it first came out, it's reboot in the new millenium was watered down to appease and pander to the sensibilities of new generation

Learn to read. Original worked as an R rated film because of the times. Sure it may not have made a boat load of money, but it sold a fuckton in merchendizing. Kids played with a damn toy of a character who castrated a rapist with a gunshot. R rating wouldn't have made new one better or made less/more money, because it was crap in it's own right.

[Krandor]

If you don't what's wrong with the example you used for Spider-Man there Idk what to tell you.

Any regular comic reader could explain the error with using Superior Spider-Man, but you're about as much fun to argue with as Elcura so it's not worth spending the time typing.

[Hirronimus]

It was an example of use of blood and gore in Spider-Man comic. Plain and simple.

[Krandor]

And I'm still 100% convinced you don't understand the context of that page or the series it was in, which is why it is an awful example.

I'm all for R Rated movies, but as someone who's been reading Spider-Man for 20+ years I say with 100% certainty that there is zero reason, or need, for a movie featuring Venom or Carnage to need to be anything higher then PG-13. And that's without bringing financial aspects into the equation.

[DrClout]

Have you read a Spider-Man comic before in your entire life? There is literally no reason to make an R Rated Spider-Man movie, the character and his stories simply have no use for it. Yes even Carnage or Venom. Randomly shoehorning in a higher rating because omg I want blood or boobies is exactly what people have said they don't want following the success of Deadpool

In the context of Spider-man directly and associated villains that will directly involve him. I agree with this. I'm currently reading through the 2005-2006 run of Civil War and can't even picture any of his involvement or contributions being anywhere close to a(n) R-rating.

But don't mind me, carry on with the petty squabble.

[Alistaire]

Wait, Spiderman should be R-rated but doing a R-rated Wolverine is "the wrong take away"? lol

[Zealot]

Even the most intense/darkest/bloodiest Spider-Man stories (Kraven's Last Hunt/The Grim Hunt, Torment, The Other, The Death of Gwen Stacy, Carnage, etc.,) have literally zero need for an R rating. Spider-Man is not Deadpool. His comics do not feature over-the-top violence, especially not as perpetrated by him, excessive swearing, random violent humor, nudity, etc. Spider-Man is and always has been a PG-13 comic. Have those things BEEN in Spider-Man comics? Of course they have, don't be an idiot. There's almost 60 years of material. Has it ever been a CENTRAL PART of Spider-Man? Absolutely not.

R-Rated Spider-Man is a dumb, unnecessary idea. An R-Rated Venom movie could work. An R-Rated Carnage movie would be great if done as a horror movie. R-Rated Spider-Man is a garbage idea thought up by garbage people.

[Zealot]

Christ Armstrong, did you use a panel of the Superior Spider-Man to demonstrate that "Spider-Man is bloody and violent?" Go sit in a corner and think about what you've done.

[Krandor]

Christ Armstrong, did you use a panel of the Superior Spider-Man to demonstrate that "Spider-Man is bloody and violent?" Go sit in a corner and think about what you've done.

I was waiting for another regular reader to come in and point out how awful this was.

[TheDirtyHobo]

I don't read comics, but judging from your reactions, I'm guessing that it's from the arc where Doc Ock is possessing spiderman's body?

[tyven]

correct

[Xno Kappa]

Would a Venom and Carnage netflix series work without Spiderman? That'd be pretty dope.