How do you gonna start Phase4/Release Please God Learn Proper English

**Kiarax** · 2013-07-24 01:27

You have one baseline DPS combo (Bootshine -> True Strike -> Snap Punch) and you use the others to upkeep buffs/debuffs. You're making shit out to be far more complex than it actually is. You'll use the same rotations over and over on both classes unless you're bad and/or lazy, then you just 123 all day. It's just funny to see people act like there's some gaping disparity between classes when they both have essentially the same shit to deal with in optimum play. The only skill disparity between them is really the fact that MNK has a much lower GCD so you have to be a little bit more on the ball, especially for repositioning between flank/behind (which is essential for both classes).

**Niiro** · 2013-07-24 02:34

No one said it was rocket science, but it's not as simplistic as the other basic combo systems.

**Elcura** · 2013-07-24 07:00

Originally Posted by Kiarax

You have one baseline DPS combo (Bootshine -> True Strike -> Snap Punch) and you use the others to upkeep buffs/debuffs. You're making shit out to be far more complex than it actually is. You'll use the same rotations over and over on both classes unless you're bad and/or lazy, then you just 123 all day. It's just funny to see people act like there's some gaping disparity between classes when they both have essentially the same shit to deal with in optimum play. The only skill disparity between them is really the fact that MNK has a much lower GCD so you have to be a little bit more on the ball, especially for repositioning between flank/behind (which is essential for both classes).

Stop being so stubborn in trying to justify a ridiculous stance. No shit bads will play the game bad, but people who actually can play the job will see the clear difference in playstyle. They aren't the same, LNC combos are straight forward, PGL combos are less straight forward, and they're both different.

**Rionel** · 2013-07-24 07:08

I'm going to have to agree here with Niiro and Elcura here.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish here Kiarax other than... I don't know?

**Kiarax** · 2013-07-24 07:36

I wasn't aware discussions were about accomplishing things. I just keep seeing people bring up how complex PGL/MNK is and can't help but laugh at it. Admittedly I took it to the extreme here and my response was more of a general thing rather than directed at anyone in particular, but I stand by my point. I'll stop Shiyoing the thread now.

**Charismatic** · 2013-07-24 08:53

"how complex" did they say they are?
More than LNC/DRG? Well, they fucking are.

**Xanthe** · 2013-07-24 09:28

It was mentioned earlier, but doing straight combos with LNC/DRG isn't always the most efficient choice. If the tank has solid hate and the enemy is holding its position, you're better off rotating Heavy Thrust > Impulse Drive > Disembowel > Chaos Thrust > Phlebotomize > Heavy Thrust > Impulse Drive > Disembowel > Impulse Drive > Disembowel > repeat. That keeps up your buffs and DoTs while maintaining efficient damage. Repeating Impulse Drive > Disembowel (is more TP efficient per potency than True Thrust > Vorpal Thrust > Full Thrust, which is better reserved for situations when ideal enemy position isn't possible, or solo situations when Leg Sweep/Spineshatter Dive timers aren't ready.

That said, the point doesn't change that no matter how much variation there is between combos for various classes, there will always be a rotation that will be maximal for a certain statistic.

**Niiro** · 2013-07-24 12:11

I don't see how phlebotomize is worth using, it doesn't set up any combo and the DoT damage is laughable (10 potency), it's even got a high TP cost to boot.

Seems like you'd be much better off using straight shot every 2nd combo (or 3rd if you're just repeating impulsive->disembowel a lot).

**Xanthe** · 2013-07-24 14:52

Originally Posted by Niiro

I don't see how phlebotomize is worth using, it doesn't set up any combo and the DoT damage is laughable (10 potency), it's even got a high TP cost to boot.

Seems like you'd be much better off using straight shot every 2nd combo (or 3rd if you're just repeating impulsive->disembowel a lot).

You're right, and I actually thought about that after posting. I'd meant to swap in Straight Shot instead of Phlebotomize, but forgot.

That does change the rotation a bit, so I'd say something like

Straight Shot > Heavy Thrust > Impulse Drive > Disembowel > Chaos Thrust > Heavy Thrust > Straight Shot > Impulse Drive > Disembowel > Impulse Drive > Disembowel > repeat

**Lonewind** · 2013-07-24 21:10

From what I've read phase 4 they will provide the "Full" (which is already vast) feature of character creation, correct me if I'm wrong... just don't want to make a Char at phase 4 and when full released, they added more styles/variations.

**Ratatapa** · 2013-07-25 07:16

Originally Posted by Lonewind

From what I've read phase 4 they will provide the "Full" (which is already vast) feature of character creation, correct me if I'm wrong... just don't want to make a Char at phase 4 and when full released, they added more styles/variations.

Character creation <Benchmark> is August first so you will have time to have fun with that

**shidobu** · 2013-07-25 07:48

really hope they just unlock all hairstyles for everyone... For some fucking reason High elf females have shit choices for hair. Its so bad they even have a bald hairstyle. Female Roeg/Highlanders have the best hair even if they do clip through fucking everything...

Atlasion · 2013-07-25 07:58

Originally Posted by shidobu

really hope they just unlock all hairstyles for everyone... For some fucking reason High elf females have shit choices for hair. Its so bad they even have a bald hairstyle. Female Roeg/Highlanders have the best hair even if they do clip through fucking everything...

I hope they unlock facial hair for everyone, or at least all males. Try getting a full beard. There's like one hume highlander that can get a beard!

**Lucavi** · 2013-07-25 10:38

^ The guy on IGN laments this, and I'm kinda salty about it as well. My mancat face has no facial hair options. Only 2 of the faces do. Clearly, no one in Japan must have facial hair or SE is influenced entirely by the numerous Japanese boybands with clean faces and no penises.

**Ikarys** · 2013-07-25 12:17

This is because Manthra are all essentially K-pop boy band members, and if someone wanted their character to grow a beard they'd play a less effeminate, limp-wristed species.

**Sylvrdragon** · 2013-07-26 07:07

Originally Posted by Ikarys

This is because Manthra are all essentially K-pop boy band members, and if someone wanted their character to grow a beard they'd play a less effeminate, limp-wristed species.

It is known.

**Charismatic** · 2013-07-26 22:58

Gonna have to agree.

**Ambrosia** · 2013-07-27 14:56

Originally Posted by shidobu

really hope they just unlock all hairstyles for everyone... For some fucking reason High elf females have shit choices for hair. Its so bad they even have a bald hairstyle.

Yeah

There are only a couple that I like but they are really short. The long one looks like I'm wearing a dead squirrel/racoon. Nothing wrong about that I guess... but I would like to have more hair options for us giraffes. I wish Elves looked more like the ones from TERA... but with less boobies. You know what I mean?

*Looks at your avatar*

Know what I mean right?

**Elric42** · 2013-07-27 15:38

Wow, guess this thread went a little off topic...

**Winraf** · 2013-07-27 15:38

If the Elezen in FFXIV looked like the ones in Tera, I'd hop on a male one in a heartbeat. Tera did a great job with race designs, just they decided to add perversion on top.

As for how I'm starting FFXIV, WHM to 50 -> Mine for a while and sell everything to crafters -> Profit.

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