How happy are Australians right now?

[Charismatic]

Shouldn't Australia be less concerned with male/female rights and more concerned THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU TURN YOU COULD DIE IN 5 SECONDS TO NATURE

But if you survive only to lose your kids to some crazy lady who decided to divorce you because she was bored and can hardly afford to live and make child support payments (for a child that you only get to see every couple of weeks) and live a life that makes you want to kill yourself... it ain't much better if it is at all, right?

[Demosthenes]

wat
I knew you were kinda out there but are you really one of those people who think that hatred of men doesn't exist?

Don't be fucking silly. Finding humor in something and what you think I am presuming are not mutually exclusive.

[Rhyis.]

Shouldn't Australia be less concerned with male/female rights and more concerned THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU TURN YOU COULD DIE IN 5 SECONDS TO NATURE

[Demosthenes]

But if you survive only to lose your kids to some crazy lady who decided to divorce you because she was bored and can hardly afford to live and make child support payments (for a child that you only get to see every couple of weeks) and live a life that makes you want to kill yourself... it ain't much better if it is at all, right?

Australia or US?

[Ksandra]

But if you survive only to lose your kids to some crazy lady who decided to divorce you because she was bored and can hardly afford to live and make child support payments (for a child that you only get to see every couple of weeks) and live a life that makes you want to kill yourself... it ain't much better if it is at all, right?

well, at least you've got a million and one options to kill yourself there. Just step outside.

[Charismatic]

Australia or US?

Pretty much every gynocentric nation out there, so... both?
Division of property, maintenance payments and residency of/contact with children are places where men just all around lose.

[Demosthenes]

Well then lets talk about the US.
I'm going off the top of my head, but if you really want I could look into trawling the gov databases.

80-90% of divorced couples figure their shit out without going to court.
Among that goes to court 10-20% (generally relationships in which violence/abuse is an issue), women are more apt to ask for full custody.
The most major reason women get custody would be if the woman has been the primary care giver.
When men actually seek custody, they win about 60-75% of the time.

[Demosthenes]

It is never a simple game of numbers though.

[Demosthenes]

Do men pay more than women in child support? Resoundingly yes. Do men make more money than women? Resoundingly yes.

[Demosthenes]

Are there people that abuse the system? You fucking bet. From my research on crime statistics, I seriously believe only 2% of every reported crime is false. That said, we will NEVER know what the percentage is for crimes that cannot be spotted. AKA people not coming forward.

[Demosthenes]

Even then there are even more factors to look at. Are men more likely to come forward? Equally? Less? Why? Niggas can fling main percentages all the time without breaking shit down. Dudes saying women get child custody and support 90% of the time are not often looking into the details.

[Charismatic]

Well then lets talk about the US.
I'm going off the top of my head, but if you really want I could look into trawling the gov databases.

80-90% of divorced couples figure their shit out without going to court. A-ha. You thought you were talking to someone with no knowledge of the subject, did you? Most divorce settlements are indeed mediated outside of the courts but only truly due to costs which would break the banks of most couples, and you ignore the fact that men still don't tend to come out of these mediations looking very good (that is to say, my point STILL stands). Nice try, nice try.
Among that goes to court 10-20% (generally relationships in which violence/abuse is an issue), women are more apt to ask for full custody. [citation needed]
The most major reason women get custody would be if the woman has been the primary care giver. While this ignores many of the reasons why the women are considered primary care giver and how this role may change when she's no longer with her husband are ignored, this is actually true.
When men actually seek custody, they win about 60-75% of the time. [citation needed]

My responses in red.

[Charismatic]

I seriously believe only 2% of every reported crime is false.

You are a funny motherfucker, you know that?

[Tajin]

/camp

[Ksandra]

80-90% of divorced couples figure their shit out without going to court.

This doesn't really give an accurate picture though. While 80-90% don't go to court initially, often they end up going years later to fight for custody rights/child support backpayments/etc. I'm curious on what the statistic is on that.

[Charismatic]

Do men pay more than women in child support? Resoundingly yes. Do men make more money than women? Resoundingly yes. [citataion needed]

Oh boy, this one again.

[Demosthenes]

From my research on crime statistics

It's cool that you peppered with citation needed though, I'll go trawl and dig that out when I have the time. That said, if you want custody of your kid and you just decide to roll over on an agreement before shit even gets to court, I'm not about to shed any kind of tears.
On the subject of primary care giver, we both know it does not mean "main bread winner". Thankfully that is something that is changing in modern times.

[Demosthenes]

Oh boy, this one again.

LOL!

[Charismatic]

It's cool that you peppered with citation needed though, I'll go trawl and dig that out when I have the time. That said, if you want custody of your kid and you just decide to roll over on an agreement before shit even gets to court, I'm not about to shed any kind of tears.
On the subject of primary care giver, we both know it does not mean "main bread winner". Thankfully that is something that is changing in modern times.

The reality of the situation is that many Americans don't really understand how to challenge the status quo or that even can until after-the-fact.
Even women feel this way, not just men.

That wasn’t the case seven years ago when my ex-husband and I agreed (with a handshake deal) that, based on our schedules and the better schools where he lived, it made sense for the kids to live with him during the week. I failed to protect my legal interests in the matter. I made the mistake of thinking that, because I believed it to be the status quo, one parent assumed the role of bread winner while the other parent filled the role of “main” or “custodial” parent. I have joint legal custody of my children, but it really never occurred to me that I could (or should) have demanded and worked toward joint physical custody back when my ex and his new partner hired an attorney and put a very lopsided parenting plan in front of me to sign.

[Charismatic]

The only thing is that the reverse of the situation she described is the more common one.